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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7801461" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Sorry but once you start adding in &quot;the others&quot; how about including others for both sides. As I said, I would and did allow AO for standing up from prone in melee range if you did not spend the disengage action.But it also meant teammates would help downed folks get to their feet. Does the ally coming to pound on the fallen get AO themselves for moving over past the fallen's friends? Does an ally of the fallen give them aome obscurement, allowing them to stand because AO require seeing your target? As a further refinement to the house rules around prone-ao, does the GM allow a help action to allow the downed character to bypass the AO?I agree that a simple AO whrn get up from prone with no exceptions seems overly simple and unsatisfying but examples of many-vs-one often fail to reflect accurately results. Since shove us a skill vs skill contest, an ability check, it's often in my experience much less reliable and circumstantial than an attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7801461, member: 6919838"] Sorry but once you start adding in "the others" how about including others for both sides. As I said, I would and did allow AO for standing up from prone in melee range if you did not spend the disengage action. But it also meant teammates would help downed folks get to their feet. Does the ally coming to pound on the fallen get AO themselves for moving over past the fallen's friends? Does an ally of the fallen give them aome obscurement, allowing them to stand because AO require seeing your target? As a further refinement to the house rules around prone-ao, does the GM allow a help action to allow the downed character to bypass the AO? I agree that a simple AO whrn get up from prone with no exceptions seems overly simple and unsatisfying but examples of many-vs-one often fail to reflect accurately results. Since shove us a skill vs skill contest, an ability check, it's often in my experience much less reliable and circumstantial than an attack. [/QUOTE]

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