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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5859241" data-attributes="member: 957">IMO this is a flawed assessment.&nbsp; After all being a 4th level fighter isn't prowess at arms.&nbsp; And, for that matter, having a +5 BAB isn't being better at fighting than any other number.The numbers and dice exist in the real world.&nbsp; There is no such thing as magic in the real world.&nbsp; The magic and story exist inside the game and there is no such thing as BAB or &quot;+1&quot; inside the game.&nbsp; When you start crossing these things you start to suck the life out of the experience.A 5th level fighter doesn't know that he just picked up a &quot;+1&quot; compared to when he was fourth level.&nbsp; He just knows that over the course of his career he has continued to improve in his swordplay.In just the same manner, when that 5th level fighter grabs a +1 sword he doesn't know that he just got a &quot;+1&quot; compared to before.&nbsp; He just knows that the sword strikes a little more true (or perhaps he doesn't even realize it, it simply happens in his ignorance).&nbsp; &quot;+1&quot; is nothing but a mechanical model of the end result of the magic.&nbsp; In the exact same sense a higher level wizard doesn't know anything about d6s.&nbsp; He just knows he can produce a hotter flame with his fireball.If you start talking about &quot;magic&quot; directly in terms of the model math then the magic is already missing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5859241, member: 957"] IMO this is a flawed assessment. After all being a 4th level fighter isn't prowess at arms. And, for that matter, having a +5 BAB isn't being better at fighting than any other number. The numbers and dice exist in the real world. There is no such thing as magic in the real world. The magic and story exist inside the game and there is no such thing as BAB or "+1" inside the game. When you start crossing these things you start to suck the life out of the experience. A 5th level fighter doesn't know that he just picked up a "+1" compared to when he was fourth level. He just knows that over the course of his career he has continued to improve in his swordplay. In just the same manner, when that 5th level fighter grabs a +1 sword he doesn't know that he just got a "+1" compared to before. He just knows that the sword strikes a little more true (or perhaps he doesn't even realize it, it simply happens in his ignorance). "+1" is nothing but a mechanical model of the end result of the magic. In the exact same sense a higher level wizard doesn't know anything about d6s. He just knows he can produce a hotter flame with his fireball. If you start talking about "magic" directly in terms of the model math then the magic is already missing. [/QUOTE]

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