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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5152970" data-attributes="member: 82504">Over all I am ok with the Bard as a class being Arcane.I think many of the abilities of the classic bard can feel primal. The fact that I can hybrid in an attempt to achieve that full flavor is great ... the fact that this hybrid is "lame" annoys me to no end. Anyone got ideas on my attempt to build Taliesin above??Primal Flavoring: Ancestral spirits invoked via song remanifesting in your allies could be seen as a deeper presentation of Bardic inspiration .... what makes it powerful and magic isn't the falsehoods it is the elements of the stories which are real after all without his very real knowledge he would be a minstrel he isnt using deception to inspire but rather truth he is part of the religious hierarchy after all. Animal form might be letting an animal spirit ride you.  The pied piper controlling animals is very connecting with nature spirits ... those in living beings.I was thinking of represent the harm me and you are cursed Bardic Protection effect by using white lotus riposte.</blockquote>