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<blockquote data-quote="jmartkdr2" data-source="post: 9437856" data-attributes="member: 7017304">So my pet theory is that the 4e swordmage only worked as well as it did by accident: because of how 4e is structured, they were required to make a whole spell list for swordmages. They simply could not use the wizard list or the paladin list - all-new list or no class. This meant they needed to design enough powers explicitly for swordmages to fill a 1-30 level class, with 3-4 choices every other level. That's a lot but that also means they needed to make each spell with &quot;how will a swordmage use this?&quot; in the front of their mind. Which they did, and we got a fun coherent class with plenty of options.That's why it works - because it wasn't just &quot;like this other class (that has a totally different fantasy and intended playstyle) but with one small difference.&quot;Paladin but with wizard spells would be terrible. It was possible to make EK work but not without making a whole new EK spell list. I can imagine a pretty good weapon-artificer subclass, heck I'm fairly happy with hexblade. But to do it right - if it isn't its own class there's too much temptation to half-donkey it. It's got enough fantasy presence to deserve its own class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmartkdr2, post: 9437856, member: 7017304"] So my pet theory is that the 4e swordmage only worked as well as it did by accident: because of how 4e is structured, they were required to make a whole spell list for swordmages. They simply could not use the wizard list or the paladin list - all-new list or no class. This meant they needed to design enough powers explicitly for swordmages to fill a 1-30 level class, with 3-4 choices every other level. That's a lot but that also means they needed to make each spell with "how will a swordmage use this?" in the front of their mind. Which they did, and we got a fun coherent class with plenty of options. That's why it works - because it wasn't just "like this other class (that has a totally different fantasy and intended playstyle) but with one small difference." Paladin but with wizard spells would be terrible. It was possible to make EK work but not without making a whole new EK spell list. I can imagine a pretty good weapon-artificer subclass, heck I'm fairly happy with hexblade. But to do it right - if it isn't its own class there's too much temptation to half-donkey it. It's got enough fantasy presence to deserve its own class. [/QUOTE]

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