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<blockquote data-quote="DeviousQuail" data-source="post: 8875985" data-attributes="member: 7025431">I would like there to be one, whether it's in the PHB or a supplement, so that we can at least have an agreed upon starting point to build from. Artificer fits the bill on a basic level but I've always felt like it was the oddball of the half caster group. Similar imo to how monks and warlocks are oddballs amongst the martials and full casters, respectively. Having something that fits the mold of the ranger or paladin, but with Int instead of Wis or Cha, could make a great home for some old and new subclasses.I think most, but not all, gish subclasses would be better served on a half caster chassis. Bladesingers, Eldritch Knights, Blade pact Warlocks, Valor Bards, and Sword Bards always felt like they got overshadowed by the full caster progression, underserved by the 1/3 progression, or undermined by melee cantrips. Arcane Archers using spell slots to power their magic arrows is something I'd like to see. It could also make a nice home for new subclasses like Witcher (sad Henry Cavill noises), Chanter and Cipher (Pillars of Eternity), Blue Mage (Final Fantasy), and Dohvakiin (shout, shout, let it all out).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DeviousQuail, post: 8875985, member: 7025431"] I would like there to be one, whether it's in the PHB or a supplement, so that we can at least have an agreed upon starting point to build from. Artificer fits the bill on a basic level but I've always felt like it was the oddball of the half caster group. Similar imo to how monks and warlocks are oddballs amongst the martials and full casters, respectively. Having something that fits the mold of the ranger or paladin, but with Int instead of Wis or Cha, could make a great home for some old and new subclasses. I think most, but not all, gish subclasses would be better served on a half caster chassis. Bladesingers, Eldritch Knights, Blade pact Warlocks, Valor Bards, and Sword Bards always felt like they got overshadowed by the full caster progression, underserved by the 1/3 progression, or undermined by melee cantrips. Arcane Archers using spell slots to power their magic arrows is something I'd like to see. It could also make a nice home for new subclasses like Witcher (sad Henry Cavill noises), Chanter and Cipher (Pillars of Eternity), Blue Mage (Final Fantasy), and Dohvakiin (shout, shout, let it all out). [/QUOTE]

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