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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8925342" data-attributes="member: 18">A lot of stuff with 5E and 1D&D is unfortunately locked-in because 5E was an "apology edition", yeah, including having a Wizard who is a bad fit for just about everyone's vision of what a Wizard would be and which doesn't even really have class features. I dunno if it's to do with designer ageFar fewer people enjoy playing pure support Bards than other Bards, I would strongly suggest. If you make a class into a pure support character like that, just a stand-and-do-nothing character, you're narrowing the audience on a popular archetype for no good reason. You're also tricking people who played 2E, 4E, or 5E because this isn't what they understand by a Bard. You can see how popular Bards are in 5E podcasts and so on, and none of them are played as that kind of "stand back and play tunes" support character, and if they were, they'd become a bad joke extremely rapidly. Like way more of a joke than characters like Scanlan, which is quite an achievement.MMOs have seen the same thing - in the era when 3.XE was designed, people did honestly believe that "pure support characters" were a thing that people wanted to play, but it became obvious by like 2008 that that wasn't true, or the numbers were truly tiny. Hence more modern MMOs haven't had them.Sure, and that's whole issue with the 3.XE Bard summed up: "cheesy bollocks". They were cheesy and meme-y and not particularly fun to actually play, because the best way to play them, was basically stand around and make real characters better. To buffbot. That villain was literally a buffbot. Which is fine for an NPC...I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but it sounds like "People would miss you if you were gone", which is what you say to the dude in It's a Wonderful Life, and I'm not sure comparing 3.XE Bards to him is really producing the image you're looking for lol. Don't jump, people will lose their +4 bonus to hit and damage!</blockquote>

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