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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8925398" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>This is factually incorrect. You simply cannot compare level x to level x in 2e because there were too many class specific variances. Bards advanced fast yes but they had a completely different spell slot progression that capped at 6th level spells. They capped out at 6th level spells & didn't even get one till level 16.</p><p>I'm not going through the level to spell slot ratio for every level but here are a few unless I screwed up copying or typo'd</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bard5: 10,000xp 3 1st level slots 1 2nd level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bard 10: 160,000xp 3 1st level slots/3 2nd level slots/2 3rd level slots/1 4th level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bard 15: 1,100,000xp 3 1st level slots/3 2nd level slots/2 3rd level slots/2 4th level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bard20: 2,200,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/4 3rd level slots/4 4th level slot/4 5th level slots/3 6th level slots</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard5: 20,000xp 4 1st level slots 2 2nd level slot/1 3rd level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard 10: 250,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/3 3rd level slots/2 4th level slot/2 5th level slots</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard 15: 1,875,000xp 5 1st level slots/5 2nd level slots/5 3rd level slots/5 4th level slot/5 5th level slots/2 6th level slots/1 7th level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard 20: 3,750,000xp 5 1st level slots/5 2nd level slots/5 3rd level slots/5 4th level slot/5 5th level slots/4 6th level slots/3 7th level slot/3 8th level slots/2 9th level slots</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Priest 5: 13,000xp 3 1st level slots 3 2nd level slot/1 3rd level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Priest 10: 450,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/3 3rd level slots/3 4th level slot/2 5th level slots</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Priest 15: 1,575,000xp 6 1st level slots/6 2nd level slots/6 3rd level slots/6 4th level slot/4 5th level slots/2 6th level slots/1 7th level slot</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Priest 20: 2,700,000xp 9 1st level slots/9 2nd level slots/9 3rd level slots/8 4th level slot/7 5th level slots/5 6th level slots/2 7th level slot</li> </ul><p></p><p>Bard got their first 5th level spell at 13 (660,000xp) compared to wizard & priest's 9(135,000 xpwizard/225,000xp priest). Yes it's popular to point out that thief table PCs (like rogue) got experience for gold on dmg70 but you can't ignore that wizard & priest table ones got it for casting spells making scrolls or potions & crafting permanent magic items on the same page.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8925398, member: 93670"] This is factually incorrect. You simply cannot compare level x to level x in 2e because there were too many class specific variances. Bards advanced fast yes but they had a completely different spell slot progression that capped at 6th level spells. They capped out at 6th level spells & didn't even get one till level 16. I'm not going through the level to spell slot ratio for every level but here are a few unless I screwed up copying or typo'd [LIST] [*]Bard5: 10,000xp 3 1st level slots 1 2nd level slot [*]Bard 10: 160,000xp 3 1st level slots/3 2nd level slots/2 3rd level slots/1 4th level slot [*]Bard 15: 1,100,000xp 3 1st level slots/3 2nd level slots/2 3rd level slots/2 4th level slot [*]Bard20: 2,200,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/4 3rd level slots/4 4th level slot/4 5th level slots/3 6th level slots [*]Wizard5: 20,000xp 4 1st level slots 2 2nd level slot/1 3rd level slot [*]Wizard 10: 250,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/3 3rd level slots/2 4th level slot/2 5th level slots [*]Wizard 15: 1,875,000xp 5 1st level slots/5 2nd level slots/5 3rd level slots/5 4th level slot/5 5th level slots/2 6th level slots/1 7th level slot [*]Wizard 20: 3,750,000xp 5 1st level slots/5 2nd level slots/5 3rd level slots/5 4th level slot/5 5th level slots/4 6th level slots/3 7th level slot/3 8th level slots/2 9th level slots [*]Priest 5: 13,000xp 3 1st level slots 3 2nd level slot/1 3rd level slot [*]Priest 10: 450,000xp 4 1st level slots/4 2nd level slots/3 3rd level slots/3 4th level slot/2 5th level slots [*]Priest 15: 1,575,000xp 6 1st level slots/6 2nd level slots/6 3rd level slots/6 4th level slot/4 5th level slots/2 6th level slots/1 7th level slot [*]Priest 20: 2,700,000xp 9 1st level slots/9 2nd level slots/9 3rd level slots/8 4th level slot/7 5th level slots/5 6th level slots/2 7th level slot [/LIST] Bard got their first 5th level spell at 13 (660,000xp) compared to wizard & priest's 9(135,000 xpwizard/225,000xp priest). Yes it's popular to point out that thief table PCs (like rogue) got experience for gold on dmg70 but you can't ignore that wizard & priest table ones got it for casting spells making scrolls or potions & crafting permanent magic items on the same page. [/QUOTE]
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