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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8925409" data-attributes="member: 18">I don't agree. There's a reason people like the 5E design much better. The 3.XE design was basically a bad, meme-y joke even after the improvement. The idea that they're &quot;almost a sorcerer&quot; is pretty funny. As for &quot;a better scout than a rogue&quot;, so is literally anyone who can cast Invisibility lol. Skills were largely a joke in 3.XE because spells outperformed them so wildly, and the ways they were suggested to be rolled made them massively likely to fail (PF1 did some slightly more interesting things here). And let's be clear, you can't cast spells, use magic items, and so on whilst singing your magic song, you can only attack with your weak-sauce attacks (&quot;as hard as a non-ranging barbarian&quot; lol who are you trying to fool - as &quot;hard as any generic character with no special combat abilities and a Rogue/Cleric BAB&quot; I think you mean).Also, weren't you claiming&nbsp; you could get Inspire Courage to give a +4 to attack and damage at L3? How does that work. I'm looking at the 3.5 Bard and it's +1 at L3. Is there some Feat or something? You don't get to +4 until level 20.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8925409, member: 18"] I don't agree. There's a reason people like the 5E design much better. The 3.XE design was basically a bad, meme-y joke even after the improvement. The idea that they're "almost a sorcerer" is pretty funny. As for "a better scout than a rogue", so is literally anyone who can cast Invisibility lol. Skills were largely a joke in 3.XE because spells outperformed them so wildly, and the ways they were suggested to be rolled made them massively likely to fail (PF1 did some slightly more interesting things here). And let's be clear, you can't cast spells, use magic items, and so on whilst singing your magic song, you can only attack with your weak-sauce attacks ("as hard as a non-ranging barbarian" lol who are you trying to fool - as "hard as any generic character with no special combat abilities and a Rogue/Cleric BAB" I think you mean). Also, weren't you claiming you could get Inspire Courage to give a +4 to attack and damage at L3? How does that work. I'm looking at the 3.5 Bard and it's +1 at L3. Is there some Feat or something? You don't get to +4 until level 20. [/QUOTE]

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