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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RangerWickett" data-source="post: 1111298" data-attributes="member: 63">Heh, I wish I'd seen this yesterday when the debate was first starting.  Now I just don't bother with class skills anymore.  I still won't let you take a skill if I've never seen your character have a reason to learn it, but if you want a Bluffing wizard or a Performing fighter (and I've had them in my game), I'm fine with it.  Even the tumbling fighter problem doesn't seem that bad.  I mean, to tumble well, you need to spend a lot of your small number of skill points, and you suffer armor check penalties.  Preferably, you'd only tumble if you wore little armor, and that's its own drawback.But now I need to read this thread and see if people have any good points against me.</blockquote>