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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8359878" data-attributes="member: 87792">First, the presence or absence of a default/core/implied setting in the core rulebook is something for new DMs rather than us grognards who are used to previous editions.Second I'd say the Nentir Vale/PoLand was just about perfect - which is precisely it shouldn't be used again. The lore of the Nerathi, Turathi, and Arkhosian empires and the Dawn War pantheon was significant enough to provide names and setting details - but because it was entirely new for 4e it wasn't large and deep enough to intimidate anyone. If you had the core books when 4e came out you had everything and it was explicitly yours to do what you wanted with.Using the Nentir Vale again for another edition would take away that freshness. It would just be another setting with some deep lore and where you knew you didn't have all the material. We'd need a new history with a new pantheon to be able to do the same thing anything like as well. Especially as the lore of the Nentir Vale was added to in most of the splatbooks so there's more to it than would reasonably go in a PHB.</blockquote>