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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8363019" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>And those that there are, like Colossal Cave Adventure, DnD [sic], Wizardry, Zork (which called itself Dungeon until a TSR Cease & Desist) Ultima, and Rogue are frequently openly D&D inspired as were MUDs/Multi-User Dungeons. 1975-77's Colossal Cave Adventure (a game so influential the entire Adventure genre was named after it) <a href="https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/dd-and-the-colossal-cave/" target="_blank">was explicitly an attempt to create a computer-mediated D&D game for a group that couldn't organise sessions</a>.</p><p></p><p>Indeed I believe that D&D almost dominated PC/mainframe gaming before it got big because the most complex games you could play were text based (rather than really primitive graphics) - and if you're doing that then dungeons are awesome as is a combat system. And anyone who'd played D&D would have a huge advantage knowing what they wanted to do when there were no templates. Oh, and if D&D was niche it was nerd-niche, as was programming games.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned Adventure games were named after Colossal Cave Adventure (a.k.a. Adventure) which was an attempt to play D&D when they couldn't schedule.</p><p></p><p>Correction: Pong was an improved copy of a Magnavox Odyssey game. The Odyssey was the first home console and came out in 1972.</p><p></p><p>The Atarishock (it only applied in the US) only really affected console gaming and only in the US; I'm not even sure it affected PC gaming that much (but then it was a niche thing at the time anyway). The thing was that D&D already owned PC gaming but although Adventure made it to the Atari 2600 it took The Legend of Zelda, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to show how to do an RPG on console, and even Dragon Quest/Dragon Warriors and Final Fantasy were pretty mechanics heavy. Dragon Warriors was a deliberate reaction against having to know the D&D rules - and Final Fantasy's original battle system was explicitly based on D&D and Wizardry (which was also D&D derived)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8363019, member: 87792"] And those that there are, like Colossal Cave Adventure, DnD [sic], Wizardry, Zork (which called itself Dungeon until a TSR Cease & Desist) Ultima, and Rogue are frequently openly D&D inspired as were MUDs/Multi-User Dungeons. 1975-77's Colossal Cave Adventure (a game so influential the entire Adventure genre was named after it) [URL='https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/dd-and-the-colossal-cave/']was explicitly an attempt to create a computer-mediated D&D game for a group that couldn't organise sessions[/URL]. Indeed I believe that D&D almost dominated PC/mainframe gaming before it got big because the most complex games you could play were text based (rather than really primitive graphics) - and if you're doing that then dungeons are awesome as is a combat system. And anyone who'd played D&D would have a huge advantage knowing what they wanted to do when there were no templates. Oh, and if D&D was niche it was nerd-niche, as was programming games. As mentioned Adventure games were named after Colossal Cave Adventure (a.k.a. Adventure) which was an attempt to play D&D when they couldn't schedule. Correction: Pong was an improved copy of a Magnavox Odyssey game. The Odyssey was the first home console and came out in 1972. The Atarishock (it only applied in the US) only really affected console gaming and only in the US; I'm not even sure it affected PC gaming that much (but then it was a niche thing at the time anyway). The thing was that D&D already owned PC gaming but although Adventure made it to the Atari 2600 it took The Legend of Zelda, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy to show how to do an RPG on console, and even Dragon Quest/Dragon Warriors and Final Fantasy were pretty mechanics heavy. Dragon Warriors was a deliberate reaction against having to know the D&D rules - and Final Fantasy's original battle system was explicitly based on D&D and Wizardry (which was also D&D derived) [/QUOTE]
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