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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ralts Bloodthorne" data-source="post: 843783" data-attributes="member: 6390">I put this in the poll, but since this seems to get more attention that the POLL thread, I'll repost it here...Hmmm...More "Vile" content...//Begin SarcasmWhee.Look at me.OOoooh, forcefeeding the PC's Lima Beans...Vile...//End SarcasmHonestly, I looked through BoVD and laughed at it. "Wizards Presents: Politically Correct Kinda Startling Vaguely Shadowy Stuff that Might Frighten a Child."Then went home, where my kids were watching the news, complete with bloody photo's of someone who got splashed.Unrestrained depiction of painful, real life death.That's Vile.Ooooh, dark energy and some sorta-kinda sacrifices.No vile.Game Mechanics for Pedophilia...Over the top, I'll hurt you if I catch you, that's right, you the writer, Vile.A drawing of a statue of a NAKED woman (not a woman whose flesh turned to stone while her possessions remained intact)...Not vile. Art.People screaming as thier skin blisters up, the blisters pop, and thier skin begins melting off...VileKicking a beggar in the mouth...Evil Lite.Dead children having to be autopsied to find which abuse killed them...Vile.People consorting with demons to gain power...Interesting, stupid (on thier part), but hardly Vile.Honestly, I think Vile matters on the following topics:Presentation: Does the writer present it in a clean, straight forward presentation, or does he sound like he wrote it in the closet with the nieghbor girl's underwear over his head.Art: Was the art depicting something in the writing that may have been difficult to visualize, or was it just thrown in there to make someone go "ewww" or for the publisher to say: "We're VILE only we'd publish this pic an insane hobo drew for us!"Mechanics: Are the mechanics crisp and clean, or will they make me want to claw out my eyes in agony? If it's going to be another FATAL, keep it. If it's going to be like "Requiem for a God", well, let me take a look.Compatibility: How well will this intrigrate into a campaign? (Despite the current: "Everything should be usable by everyone" crap going around, me and my players know that some things are DM only) Will it buff up the bad guys? Is the penalties realistic and a horrible price to pay, or does the guy just grow a 3rd eye on his back?Progression: Can the product be used in little parts, or do I have to go full bore and use all of it? Can I add your "Soul Render" PrC, or do I have to use everything in it?Maturity: Is it written in a mature, clinical manner, or read as if it was the fantasies of a teenage Jeffery Dahmer?Impact: If this book is seen by my minister, will he burst into flames? Will the publisher be causing damage to the reputation of the game to make a buck? It wasn't that long ago gamers were villified on national TV and by police.Well, that's my windbag take on Vile. Now as far as mature, here's my take:Partial nudity (Showing a woman's buttocks or one breast) not bared for the sake of baring it, but artistically, done within the portrait, I don't consider nudity. However, when my friend say my screensaver (All neo-classical electronic images) he thought it was pornography (including the Adam & Eve).So nudity is pornography is in the eye of the beholder there.Mature content is the same.20 years ago, Friday the 13th (The first one) was considered Rated R, nowdays, it would be considered weak R at best, PG-17.more than likely. I even saw it uncut on USA the other night.But, how will the mature topics be handled. How will people handle the appearance of prostitutes in a module, or, god forbid, a male prostitute? Most gamers as I've seen them would be giggling like they had managed to load an extra five points of armor on the back of thier Mad Cat.What about mature content as far as realism? Is that what makes it mature? Is it because when the party stumbles upon the scene, there is a description of the murder victim? Or is the realism like FATAL's realism... (Bleargh)While I don't particularly think a spell that causes elephantitis of the genetalia to be all that amusing, and actually, kind of juvenile, in a horror adventure, an effect or curse of some kind that makes a character lactate blood adds necessary horror to the adventure provided it's not only labeled mature, but HANDLED in a mature manner.I guess my long windbag adds up to: "If your going to attempt to do mature content, do it maturely, no like a 2nd grader doing the "poopie-fart-doodi" act in the schoolyard."If your going to do Vile, do it clinically and informative, not "shock value".</blockquote>

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