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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5577634" data-attributes="member: 18280">Yup.&nbsp; Our persepectives definitely diverge here.&nbsp; If I want to write a story, I'll write a story.&nbsp; If I want to play a role-playing game, my goal (if a player) is to take on the role of a character within the fantasy milieu; it is never &quot;to write a story&quot;.&nbsp; My goal as a GM is to enable the same.There is nothing wrong with &quot;writing a story&quot; as a goal if that's what you like, obviously, but I personally differentiate between &quot;story telling games&quot; (Once Upon a Time?) and &quot;role-playing games&quot;.&nbsp; That's a difference of kind, not a difference of value, mind you, and has to do fundamentally with how I view rpgs.&nbsp; So, obviously, YMMV and, equally obviously, it does.Sorry, I'm not at all certain what Hussar's opinions are, so you'll have to rely upon your own words!However, I have always found rpgs to be &quot;engaging, interesting, and thought-provoking - not just because of the ingenuity of their plots, but because of the cleverness of their insight&quot; as a consequence of their being tied into believable context and consequences, because the characters in the work must deal with the fictional milieu as it is.&nbsp; If the characters &quot;have the same sort of freedom as the author of a fiction has&quot;, the outcome seems artificial and contrived, to me.&nbsp; The weakest of weak sauce.Not only do the PCs not get to decide that gravity no longer works today (as an author certainly can), or that a comet brings all the dead back to life, the NPCs don't, either.&nbsp; Once a persistant &quot;fact&quot; of the world is brought into play, it remains a persistant &quot;fact&quot;.&nbsp; The actions of PC and NPC alike must take those &quot;facts&quot; into account.In exploring how those &quot;facts&quot; are taken into account, PCs and NPCs offer many different belief systems and theories, many different ideas of what &quot;the good life&quot; is, or how best to deal with a persistent world.I would feel cheated without this.Again, YMMV and apparently does.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5577634, member: 18280"] Yup. Our persepectives definitely diverge here. If I want to write a story, I'll write a story. If I want to play a role-playing game, my goal (if a player) is to take on the role of a character within the fantasy milieu; it is never "to write a story". My goal as a GM is to enable the same. There is nothing wrong with "writing a story" as a goal if that's what you like, obviously, but I personally differentiate between "story telling games" (Once Upon a Time?) and "role-playing games". That's a difference of [i][b]kind[/b][/i][b][/b], not a difference of [i][b]value[/b][/i][b][/b], mind you, and has to do fundamentally with how I view rpgs. So, obviously, YMMV and, equally obviously, it does. Sorry, I'm not at all certain what Hussar's opinions are, so you'll have to rely upon your own words! However, I have always found rpgs to be "engaging, interesting, and thought-provoking - not just because of the ingenuity of their plots, but because of the cleverness of their insight" [i][b]as a consequence of their being tied into believable context and consequences[/b][/i][b][/b], because the [i][b]characters[/b][/i][b][/b] in the work must deal with the fictional milieu as it is. If the characters "have the same sort of freedom as the author of a fiction has", the outcome seems artificial and contrived, to me. The weakest of weak sauce. Not only do the PCs not get to decide that gravity no longer works today (as an author certainly can), or that a comet brings all the dead back to life, the NPCs don't, either. Once a persistant "fact" of the world is brought into play, it remains a persistant "fact". The actions of PC and NPC alike must take those "facts" into account. In exploring how those "facts" are taken into account, PCs and NPCs offer many different belief systems and theories, many different ideas of what "the good life" is, or how best to deal with a persistent world. I would feel cheated without this. Again, YMMV and apparently does. RC [/QUOTE]

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