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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 1532800" data-attributes="member: 3586">So, you had five 3rd level character fighting four 5th level characters? I think the result was predictable.The encounter level of those orcs was about EL 9. The standard EL your party should be able to handle is about EL 4.Add to that, the Orcs were aware of you and you weren't, and the EL gets even higher.###Regardless of that disparity, once the Ranger and Monk went down, you had to flee. At that point, you're in a losing situation. The main reason for TPKs is party stupidity: you have to know when to cut your losses.Now, one thing mitigating against that is that you probably weren't aware that these were 5th level orcs, but even so, after the Ranger and Monk went down quickly, you've got to realise something's wrong.###My conclusion: The encounter was far too tough, but not a TPK as it was set up: the rest of the party should have run.Cheers!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 1532800, member: 3586"] So, you had five 3rd level character fighting four 5th level characters? I think the result was predictable. The encounter level of those orcs was about EL 9. The standard EL your party should be able to handle is about EL 4. Add to that, the Orcs were aware of you and you weren't, and the EL gets even higher. ### Regardless of that disparity, once the Ranger and Monk went down, you had to flee. At that point, you're in a losing situation. The main reason for TPKs is party stupidity: you have to know when to cut your losses. Now, one thing mitigating against that is that you probably weren't aware that these were 5th level orcs, but even so, after the Ranger and Monk went down quickly, you've got to realise something's wrong. ### My conclusion: The encounter was far too tough, but not a TPK as it was set up: the rest of the party should have run. Cheers! [/QUOTE]

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