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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1533927" data-attributes="member: 224">This seems a bit of a &quot;Dog Pile&quot; on the DM, but: The encounter was definitely too difficult, and the DM played the actual ambush poorly.&nbsp; He withheld valuable description, and rail-roaded the PCs during the ambush.Still, the party's tactics sucked!&nbsp; (sacrificial role-playing aside)...and more importantly, the spell repertoire of the casters (Wiz &amp; Clr) sucked too!Bar none, Web is the most powerful combat spell in the 2nd level category.&nbsp; One web spell would have taken out all of the poor orcs, and allowed the party to regroup, focus on one foe at a time, and/or flee when necessary.&nbsp; Why have *any* other spell?&nbsp; Glitterdust?&nbsp;&nbsp; Eeesh.(Even given the orc Bbn strength, it would have taken them multiple rounds to free themselves; read that spell description!)As for the Cleric: Why, in the name of all that's holy, did he try to go toe-to-toe with raging Orcs!!!???&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello?&nbsp;&nbsp; Heavenly message to Mr Cleric: &lt;cue AOL voice&gt; &quot;You've got spells!&quot;&nbsp; Sorry, but this is cause for a big &quot;duh!&quot; stamp on the ole character sheet.And as for the Ftr, Mnk, and Rgr: Let the enemy come to you!&nbsp; Use missile weapons!&nbsp; Concentrate your fire!&nbsp; Etc.Finally: The DM should look over the modifiers for Forested terrain in the DMG.&nbsp; Movement in the forest ain't either pretty or quick, unless there's a path involved.&nbsp; Long range Wiz spells rule the day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1533927, member: 224"] This seems a bit of a "Dog Pile" on the DM, but: The encounter was definitely too difficult, and the DM played the actual ambush poorly. He withheld valuable description, and rail-roaded the PCs during the ambush. Still, the party's tactics sucked! (sacrificial role-playing aside) ...and more importantly, the spell repertoire of the casters (Wiz & Clr) sucked too! Bar none, [i]Web[/i] is the most powerful combat spell in the 2nd level category. One web spell would have taken out all of the poor orcs, and allowed the party to regroup, focus on one foe at a time, and/or flee when necessary. Why have *any* other spell? Glitterdust? Eeesh. (Even given the orc Bbn strength, it would have taken them multiple rounds to free themselves; read that spell description!) As for the Cleric: Why, in the name of all that's holy, did he try to go toe-to-toe with raging Orcs!!!??? Hello? Heavenly message to Mr Cleric: <cue AOL voice> "You've got spells!" Sorry, but this is cause for a big "duh!" stamp on the ole character sheet. And as for the Ftr, Mnk, and Rgr: Let the enemy come to you! Use missile weapons! Concentrate your fire! Etc. Finally: The DM should look over the modifiers for Forested terrain in the DMG. Movement in the forest ain't either pretty or quick, unless there's a path involved. Long range Wiz spells rule the day. [/QUOTE]

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