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Should Warlock Patrons be able to revoke a Warlock's powers if the Patron is displeased?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 7119525" data-attributes="member: 6786252"><p>Sure it is. The core book depicts the majority of warlocks as a mentor-student relationship. The "mentor" in this case might not be making demands, or care about its student, or teach lessons inadvertantly, but it doesn't change that the relationship between Patron and Warlock is overwhelmingly described as that of master and apprentice. </p><p></p><p>With that established, we tie it back to the OP and say that the mentor can always stop teaching the apprentice in the scenario described. If the Patron doesn't care or notice? Then of course it won't stop. But that's not the scenario as described by the OP, and thus not relevant.</p><p> Core book. Here's a few of the more obvious quotes that show it. </p><p>"Drawing on the ancient knowledge of beings such as fey nobles, demons, devils, hags, and alien entities of the Far Realm, warlocks piece together arcane secrets to bolster their own power."</p><p>"More often, though, the arrangement is similar to that between a master and an apprentice. The warlock learns and grows in power, at the cost of occasional services performed on the patron's behalf."</p><p>"At 3rd level, your otherworldly patron bestows a gift upon you for your loyal service."</p><p>"Starting at 1st level, your patron bestows upon you the ability to project the beguiling and fearsome presence of the fey."</p><p>"Beginning at 10th level, your patron teaches you how to turn the mind-affecting magic of your enemies against them."</p><p>"Starting at 6th level. you can call on your patron to alter fate in your favor."</p><p>EDIT - Oh, here's another one I spotted in sorcerer: "Sorcerers have no use for the spellbooks and ancient tomes of magic lore that wizards rely on,<strong> nor do they rely on a patron to grant their spells as warlocks do</strong>." Bold emphasis mine.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, 4e especially had a thing where you could go out and uncover ancient pacts in old ruins and research magic that way. In fact, it was a major thing for uncovering the ruins of the old tiefling empire. But 5e has put a larger emphasis on the Patron and its relationship with the warlock, quite possibly because the writers wanted to make a stronger difference between the wizard (power from individual research) and warlock (power from teacher).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 7119525, member: 6786252"] Sure it is. The core book depicts the majority of warlocks as a mentor-student relationship. The "mentor" in this case might not be making demands, or care about its student, or teach lessons inadvertantly, but it doesn't change that the relationship between Patron and Warlock is overwhelmingly described as that of master and apprentice. With that established, we tie it back to the OP and say that the mentor can always stop teaching the apprentice in the scenario described. If the Patron doesn't care or notice? Then of course it won't stop. But that's not the scenario as described by the OP, and thus not relevant. Core book. Here's a few of the more obvious quotes that show it. "Drawing on the ancient knowledge of beings such as fey nobles, demons, devils, hags, and alien entities of the Far Realm, warlocks piece together arcane secrets to bolster their own power." "More often, though, the arrangement is similar to that between a master and an apprentice. The warlock learns and grows in power, at the cost of occasional services performed on the patron's behalf." "At 3rd level, your otherworldly patron bestows a gift upon you for your loyal service." "Starting at 1st level, your patron bestows upon you the ability to project the beguiling and fearsome presence of the fey." "Beginning at 10th level, your patron teaches you how to turn the mind-affecting magic of your enemies against them." "Starting at 6th level. you can call on your patron to alter fate in your favor." EDIT - Oh, here's another one I spotted in sorcerer: "Sorcerers have no use for the spellbooks and ancient tomes of magic lore that wizards rely on,[B] nor do they rely on a patron to grant their spells as warlocks do[/B]." Bold emphasis mine. Now, 4e especially had a thing where you could go out and uncover ancient pacts in old ruins and research magic that way. In fact, it was a major thing for uncovering the ruins of the old tiefling empire. But 5e has put a larger emphasis on the Patron and its relationship with the warlock, quite possibly because the writers wanted to make a stronger difference between the wizard (power from individual research) and warlock (power from teacher). [/QUOTE]
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