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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Valdur" data-source="post: 2896571" data-attributes="member: 40953">Seems like some of you aren't familiar with Cook/Moldvay D&D. Let me clear up some things:Cook/Moldvay did not use THAC0 or non-weapon proficiencies.  It did have racial level limits.I'm not sure what your referring to here so excuse me if I misunderstood...If you were referring to the Cook/Moldvay rules, they consisted of two 63 page booklets: the Basic rules (B) and the Expert rules (X).  The Basic rules took you from level 1-3, the Expert rules took you from level 4-36.   Each booklet was the PHB, DMG and MM all rolled into one 63 page booklet!  No additional supplements or rules were required or even made available.  That is because the game was so rules lite that the DM used his judgement to determine things that are covered by skills, feats and countless tables in 3E.  This actually made the DM's job much easier because all he had to do was apply common sense and not worry about what rules covered the situation and the page number.If you were referring to incorporating concepts from B/X into 4E...---A lot of wargame/strategygames are produced with multiple tiers of rules. That is, tier 1 is a complete game but is limited in details and bells & whistles.  Additional tiers do nothing but add on additional details whith each succeeding tier.  This allows new players to easily learn the flow of the game before burdening them with additional details.  It also allows veteran players to play a simpler faster playing game if they choose to do so.This would actually be a great marketing move for D&D. (1) it allows new players to learn the game without being intimidated or turned off by a lot of details (2) it allows WoTC to sell a lot of additional books that add more rules/details to the game--even more than in 3.5 for those that desire this.  This allows players to choose the level of complexity and detail that they want in their games and does it in an easy, modular format.  It takes all the work out of trying to add or remove rules from 3.5 without having to rebalance and consider all the implications of fiddling with the system.I'm not saying this is how it show be. I'm not even saying this is a great idea. I'm just saying that a more streamlined, less rule intensive system (while keeping the best aspects of 3.5) should be considered if and when WoTC decides to develop 4E.</blockquote>

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