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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 117246" data-attributes="member: 2486">This is very entertaining, but I've actually reached the juncture whereby I can't tell whether this is a troll or not.If not, I'd like to offer some advice to nwn_deadman: your case is not being helped by RANTING, calling PEOPLE STUPID and using triple exclamation marks!!!Everyone on this board posting is probably highly intelligent- but a few are slightly stubborn.As to the post itself, follow the path of this logic:A Miracle is a prerequisite for the creation of a Tome of X, which grants an inherent ability score bonus.&nbsp; At no point does it actually state that miracle is cast during its creation- therefore, it is implicit that a cleric whom can request miracles of his deity has reached a power level such that his deity will aid him in the creation of a magical item.&nbsp; In return, the caster must pay 5000XP per inherent bonus increase.At no point in the DMG does it states that having the appropriate prerequisite spell means that the spell is cast during the creation- ergo, it is likely that Miracle is not cast during the manufacture of the book in question- but that the fact that the cleric has access to Miracle means that he has the capability to craft the book.The second counter-argument is that the spell prerequisite does not duplicate the item when the spell is cast normally.&nbsp; There are a myriad of strong examples listed already, so I won't bother to reiterate them.nwn: And if you were thinking of insulting me and decrying my lack of logic, then I shall reply when I have my results back from the UK International Debating Team Trials.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 117246, member: 2486"] This is very entertaining, but I've actually reached the juncture whereby I can't tell whether this is a troll or not. If not, I'd like to offer some advice to nwn_deadman: your case is not being helped by RANTING, calling PEOPLE STUPID and using triple exclamation marks!!! Everyone on this board posting is probably highly intelligent- but a few are slightly stubborn. As to the post itself, follow the path of this logic: A Miracle is a prerequisite for the creation of a Tome of X, which grants an inherent ability score bonus. At no point does it actually state that miracle is cast during its creation- therefore, it is implicit that a cleric whom can request miracles of his deity has reached a power level such that his deity will aid him in the creation of a magical item. In return, the caster must pay 5000XP per inherent bonus increase. At no point in the DMG does it states that having the appropriate prerequisite spell means that the spell is cast during the creation- ergo, it is likely that Miracle is not cast during the manufacture of the book in question- but that the fact that the cleric has access to Miracle means that he has the capability to craft the book. The second counter-argument is that the spell prerequisite does not duplicate the item when the spell is cast normally. There are a myriad of strong examples listed already, so I won't bother to reiterate them. nwn: And if you were thinking of insulting me and decrying my lack of logic, then I shall reply when I have my results back from the UK International Debating Team Trials. [/QUOTE]

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