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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 118828" data-attributes="member: 1974">Well, your arguement has already been destroyed, there isn't much left to say about that.Misrepresenting what other people say does not make you right.Your first point was that the prereq for the various Tomes including Miracle means that Miracle can produce the effect.  The fireball example completely disproved this arguement.  The same way it is immaterial that fireball is listed as NECESSARY to create a flaming sword to the claim that a fireball can be cast durign combat to make a flaming sword on the spot.Ignoring this point and screaming don't change anything.</blockquote>