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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drachasor" data-source="post: 4314231" data-attributes="member: 55655">Obviously that's why I think they should be free as far as gold is concerned.  I like that they need props and such of course.(Btw, "they" = most rituals).That is indeed perhaps an element at play.1.  Remember I mean "most" rituals.  There are some obvious exceptions.2.  Show me where this is a problem.  Show me where they are going to get "spammed", even.  In the typical adventure, I certainly don't see it.Make whole is an obvious exception that the general point I was making, I think.  Most rituals (such as Knock) don't reduce costs for the party.Getting the ritual isn't free, it costs 50 gold.  Also, such goods are relatively trivial for adventurers to acquire, very often they can get these things for free as part of an adventure if they wanted.  (Granted, Tenser's Disk would be one of those things that need some other limitation on it, such as you only being able to cast it once per day).Again, there is a cost to learn this rituals.  Communication they provide can be nice, but doesn't hurt the game in any way (and again, who can use them is limited).I am not talking about making it free to have OTHERS do the ritual.  Obviously services would have to cost money for believability.  As for raising your own comrades, there is already an inherent cost in that (they have to have died).  Honestly I do feel that's a sufficient limitation, given the game mechanics on death.  Of course, some sort of cost (not necessarily gold) is needed to explain why it isn't used all the time on dead people, but raise dead is clearly one of the exceptions that needs a restriction beyond casting time for believability reasons (not game balance reasons though).Someone like that has a lot of useful information available to him that Comprehend Languages would not provide.  Also, when you need Comprehend Languages (which is fairly rare), it is unlikely you have the option of a translator.Teleportations might be an exception  -- I don't have a current opinion on them.  Diviniations are ALWAYS tricky, and the gold cost isn't a big issue there, imho.  Most of the rituals don't provide anything that should have a higher cost than just learning the ritual itself and devoting the time to using them.  After all, making most of them free does not break or harm the game (if it does, then please provide an example of this harm -- because I don't see it in your above ones, unless I missed something).That MIGHT make sense for SOME religious rituals.  It certainly doesn't make sense for all.  It makes much less sense for nature-based or especially arcane-based rituals.  Also, many such sacrifices (such as a chicken or cow, say), are not really important enough to represent as a gold cost, imho.  More importantly, sacrifices implies they components take up a lot more space than they apparently do, since you can walk around with components for dozens of rituals.It doesn't only take a moment.  It takes TEN minutes.  That's a long time, and there are a lot of reasons why it won't get spammed about in a dungeon.  You'd only use it where you were pretty sure there was a secret door but couldn't find it -- consider that just 5 minutes lets everyone in the part make many perception checks looking for such things.The time restraint already restricts their application a great deal.  I'd note that many people already decry how useless nearly all rituals are.  The vast majority of the time, non-magical means will be used because they are quicker and certain enough.  Magic will still only be used when it is needed.Remember that I am only talking about many/most of the rituals in the book.  If you have a particular concern about some ritual in a non-combat situation, then you should name it.  I might well agree that it is problematic if it were free beyond requiring time to use (it is just I find those rituals the exception rather than the rule).The time rituals require, the resources to learn and acquire them (a feat and gold to buy), and the fact for everyday situations they really aren't useful, is more than sufficient enough to explain why they aren't used all the time.  If you think making MOST rituals free would be problematic, then give me some examples of this, because I don't see it.</blockquote>

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