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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 1983870" data-attributes="member: 1465">Me say you absolutely right  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> When Monte Cook "invented" prestige classes, he said that the idea was that everyone should be able to qualify for, and the difference was only that some classes had an easier time and could therefore qualify earlier.Exceptions are fine, but they should have been the minority, instead now the standard is that prestige classes are designed to work for 1 only core class (or 3-4 at best), probably because it's easier for authors to balance a PrCl which is available only e.g. to Druids. So we soon got PrCls with reqs like "must be able to cast Lightning Bolt as a divine spell". It's also quite pathetic that they don't have the courage to write down "req. Druid level 5", which would be more honest.The only solution I have for this problem is to be the DM and do what you want  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> which means not to feel restricted too much by what the PrCl description says in the book, and modify it as you like.For instance, the Arcane Archer MUST be able to cast arcane spells. What does this requirement have to do with the PrCl abilities? Only the Imbue Spell ability has to do with this. What about allowing a high level Ranger to qualify? By the RAW you can't, because the Ranger casts divine spells, but do you really care? If the Ran/AA would be a nice character, why not?Another thing I would like to think about is PrCls for spellcasters: they give you spellcasting, but they require you spellcasting. What if instead some PrCl which give "+1 level in spellcasting class" would NOT require spellcasting ability in the first place? What if Dragon Disciple did NOT require you to have a level of Sorcerer, but gave you bonus 1st level slots on top of nothing?My opinion is that at the end what matters is (1) the character concept makes sense and (2) the result is balanced with the other characters. Obviously it would be ridiculous otherwise to go as far as allowing entering a PrCl which empowers a specific ability if the character doesn't have it at all, so the deal is to be done with PrCls one by one.As for organizations, there are some points to remember:- you shouldn't think that taking the PrCl is mandatory for a member; actually it makes sense that one first becomes a member and second is trained in "secret lore"- you shouldn't think that every member aims to get all levels in the PrCl- there could be more PrCls for the same organization (see Harpers)However, if you have a group which is seriously focused on some abilities, such as the OOTB, it makes sense that everyone would be trained in them. The 3.0 OOTBI had one design mistake IMHO, that of requiring WSpec (IOW, 4 levels of Fighter); I think the 3.5 OOTBI dropped that and required more skills, so it's open to everyone.</blockquote>

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