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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 3724067" data-attributes="member: 9213">Okay I understand now. Difference in opinion = bad. Agreeing with opinion = good. Got it. I dont see anyone here with an overwhelmingly negative post. Unless your definintion of overwhelmingly differs from mine, which I'm guessing it does.For me overwhelmingly negative would be like when the HEAT guys (rabid Hal Jordan fans) threatened Ron Marz (the writer of Green Lantern at the time and his kid). THAT's overwhelmingly negative. No one here is even threatening physical violence to the 4E books much less people. Some of people have a specific issue with WOTC concerning Dungeon & Dragon Magazine. Some people here think that WOTC's handling of the 4E reveal was a little dishonest. Some of us feel that we've supportted the hobby by buying the books instead of stealing them, by supportting the FLGS and D&D, just to have WOTC turnaround and say thanks but all that stuff you just bought can't be used with the new edition. Tough noogies! But hey buy our NEW PRODUCT and all of the NEW splatbooks! Because it's BETTER! and NEW!!!!People bringing up the video game anologies are just not getting the point either. I owned a  PS, when the PS2 came out I bought one. I was able to play my PS games on the PS2 as well as the new games. FOr me that was a major selling point. If that wasnt the case I would not have bought a PS2 no matter how new and shiny it was. I recently bought a PS3, it plays my PS & PS2 games. That was a big selling point for me as well. The same thing with my Wii, it plays my Gamecube games. As you can tell I spend a fair amount of money on my entertainment so the money is less of an issue than it is the feeling that I'll be able to use what I bought previously on a new system. The reason I lurk on the 4E boards is to find out more about 4E. Right now I have no intention of upgrading. Too many things about it are different from 3.5 and FOR ME there was very little about 3.5 that was actually broken. Alot of what I hear people complaining about is subjective (dislike of AoO's, Vancian Spell casting, Confirming Crits, etc..) and can be with a little tweaking be changed. 4E (at this point, because what dave noonan and Mike Mearls stressed in thier most recent podcast, things / rules can change at any moment) seems to getting rid of alot of sacred cows, if too many of those sacred cows get slaughterd then youre left with veggie burgers. Now that's great if you like veggie / soy burgers, but it aint meat. And if you like meat, that might be a problem, know what I'm sayin'?I bought alot of prewritten adventures because one of the problems with being a 35 year old adult with a family is that you have to work, sometimes long hours to support said family and what ever other hobbies you have. I dont have the time or the motivation to write adventures from scratch anymore. Prewritten stuff I can read an modify a bit for my group and run. It's easier for me to that than to build from scratch and right now to convert something like AOW or ST to 4E looks like it's going to be a nightmare. Never mind the other books that would never see use. Look, just because you like something doesnt exempt it from abuse and critique. I know. I think 3.5 is fine as is and look at the amount of people on this board who tend to crap all over it. It's bad enough to get it from the "old school" crowd and the C&C D00d's, but to get it from the people that supposedly like the system? Whatever. I want a reason to like 4E, but so far nothing. It's early yet still so for every rabid fanboy chomping at the bit to crap all over 3.5 at the slightest wiff of something new, there's someone like me who is going to stick with his old friend 3.5 and watch 4E with suspicion. Because I know something that the lot of you seem to be forgetting. Gamers are a fickle bunch. Brutally fickle. The same D00ds who so blithely dismiss those of us who are suspect of 4E are going to be the biggest most and most obnoxious critics of 4E in about 4 years or so. Theyre going to be the first ones crying about "too many splatbooks" "this is broken" "I'm going back to 3.5" Blah, blah, blah. You know this. The fact that some of you are so quick to jump ship so quickly, the years of posts of people complaining about things that were not system problems but defective end user issues, it's all here (barring another server / board crash). We'll see in four years or so. For now though, I'll wait and see what this 4E thing is all about and as people here are allowed to voice the things that they are excited about, I think that people who have issues with 4E should be allowed to voice those as issues as well. Me alot of what I'm hearing I'm not liking from the point that it looks like I REALLY wont be able to use alot of my 3.5 stuff with 4E. If I werent so heavily invested in 3.5, some of this stuff might be interesting, but still nothing is written in stone until the books are actually printed and in the stores...</blockquote>

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