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Message: <blockquote data-quote="B4cchus" data-source="post: 3837858" data-attributes="member: 35026">As far as i know we only have 1 length of 50' so i'm going to create a plan off of that knowledge.Ok, so the plan is:step 1: Hammer a piton (piton A)on the top of the ledge.step 2: let 1 person 20 feet down where he hammers 4 pitons (pitons b) in the wall.step 3:  let n-2 people down who all secure themselves to pitons b.step 4: the remaining person retrievesthe top piton and climbs down to pitons b whilst he is tied to the rope and the rope is tied to one of the pitons b.then we come to the repetative partstep 5: lower 1 person 20' down where he rams 4 pitons in the wall (pitons c)step 6: belay n-2 people down to pitons c where they secure themselves to pitons c.step 7: the remaining person retrieves (4) pitons b and climbs down to pitons c whilst he is tied to the rope and the rope is tied to one of the pitons cgoto step 5.-edit:I only took 20 feet step so that there is enough rope left to tie everybody to the rope where needed. This distance can be higher is less rope is proven to be needed or vise versa.-edit2: the advantage of this method is that only 1 person has to be macking climb checks. The downside is that it's much slower.</blockquote>