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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 4282418" data-attributes="member: 5890">Just a point:having played through 3 skill challenges and succeeded at one of them, I've made the following observations:1. Skill challenges are harder to succeed at than an equal level (I think) fight. Obviously the maths backs this up.2. This didn't seem like a bad thing - sure we might only succeed at a skill challenge 20% of the time, but the penalty is usually low, while the reward is significantly higher than the penalty. Perhaps a better comparison would be something like (spoilers from KoTS I think)[spoiler]taking out the kobold slingers before they use all their special sling ammunition[/spoiler] - you get a good reward, the action is actually very challenging and the penalty for failure is simply not getting the reward, rather than "everyone dies".3. While the optimal method for a skill challenge might be to avoid influencing the win/loss ratio by not making rolls that contribute, nobody actually wants to do that.4. I think that skill challenges are a place that the DM should liberally apply the dm's friend. That gives a mechanical advantage to exploring skill choices and choosing skills where you have a good idea and a sub-prime score (ie - you're still trained, but it's not your best). We found that our group did this anyway.</blockquote>