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<blockquote data-quote="Ulthwithian" data-source="post: 4284109" data-attributes="member: 60612">Two: While I think most people in this thread are quite pro-4E, you must admit that there seems to be quite a contingent of people on these forums for which 'any stick will do'.Something that seems to fall out of the math is the fact that the +5 DC makes the likelihood of succeeding in any challenge fairly remote.&nbsp; Therefore, I am going to try to track down what happens if you have, say, people with skills of +9, +7, +6, and +5 going into a skill challenge, and what's the chances of success.Incidentally, the 8 cusp mark bears out the idea that Aiding Another was assumed to have a +2 bonus on the roll.&nbsp; As the above analysis states, if you have 4 people Aiding Another on each person's check, the expected result is a bonus of 5.2, which offsets the +5 DC and brings the 'DC 20' challenges down to the level of 'DC 15' challenges.&nbsp; This might shed some additional light on this admittedly murky topic.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ulthwithian, post: 4284109, member: 60612"] Two: While I think most people in this thread are quite pro-4E, you must admit that there seems to be quite a contingent of people on these forums for which 'any stick will do'. Something that seems to fall out of the math is the fact that the +5 DC makes the likelihood of succeeding in any challenge fairly remote. Therefore, I am going to try to track down what happens if you have, say, people with skills of +9, +7, +6, and +5 going into a skill challenge, and what's the chances of success. Incidentally, the 8 cusp mark bears out the idea that Aiding Another was assumed to have a +2 bonus on the roll. As the above analysis states, if you have 4 people Aiding Another on each person's check, the expected result is a bonus of 5.2, which offsets the +5 DC and brings the 'DC 20' challenges down to the level of 'DC 15' challenges. This might shed some additional light on this admittedly murky topic. [/QUOTE]

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