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<blockquote data-quote="boar" data-source="post: 4771727" data-attributes="member: 81932">&quot;Appears?&quot;&nbsp; How do you figure?&nbsp; The description of &quot;off-hand&quot; is immediately preceded by &quot;load,&quot; a ranged weapon property.&nbsp; The ranged and melee property descriptions are all in the same section, and there is nothing in the off-hand description to limit it to melee weapons.With all due respect, your logic here is completely unsound.&nbsp; The melee weapon clause is there as a RESTRICTION to avoid abuse such as holding a dagger in your off-hand to get bonus damage with a shuriken in your main.&nbsp; The flavor of the feat is to give bonus damage to dual-wielding melee fighters, and the melee weapon clause enforces the flavor -- this says nothing about the off-hand property.As for the ranger ability description, you've got a good point there.&nbsp; The way the ability is worded, it certainly would be silly if it gave rangers the ability to off-wield ranged weapons.&nbsp; Yet that is exactly what it does.&nbsp; Make a two-weapon ranger in the character builder and you'll see that it can wield a hand crossbow, sling, or shuriken in the off-hand, while other classes can't.&nbsp; This is a case where the flavor doesn't match the mechanics.Sure, the rules don't make much sense.&nbsp; But the OP was interested in what the rules are, not what they should be.&nbsp; I don't want to argue with you, I want to give the OP the information he is looking for.And, dangit, I forgot about short swords <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="boar, post: 4771727, member: 81932"] "Appears?" How do you figure? The description of "off-hand" is immediately preceded by "load," a ranged weapon property. The ranged and melee property descriptions are all in the same section, and there is nothing in the off-hand description to limit it to melee weapons. With all due respect, your logic here is completely unsound. The melee weapon clause is there as a RESTRICTION to avoid abuse such as holding a dagger in your off-hand to get bonus damage with a shuriken in your main. The flavor of the feat is to give bonus damage to dual-wielding melee fighters, and the melee weapon clause enforces the flavor -- this says [I]nothing[/I] about the off-hand property. As for the ranger ability description, you've got a good point there. The way the ability is worded, it certainly would be silly if it gave rangers the ability to off-wield ranged weapons. Yet that is exactly what it does. Make a two-weapon ranger in the character builder and you'll see that it can wield a hand crossbow, sling, or shuriken in the off-hand, while other classes can't. This is a case where the flavor doesn't match the mechanics. Sure, the rules don't make much sense. But the OP was interested in what the rules [I]are[/I], not what they should be. I don't want to argue with you, I want to give the OP the information he is looking for. And, dangit, I forgot about short swords :P. [/QUOTE]

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