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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fenriswolf456" data-source="post: 5812439" data-attributes="member: 6687664">I'm not seeing how this group iniative fomulation furthers the goals of your stated intentions. The idea behind "end of your next turn" effects is to give the character that applied the effect a chance to benefit from it as well as their allies. This model doesn't give that chance to the applying character. If you are dropping the 'until the end of your next turn' wordings from powers and effects, when do they in fact end? Presumably a high iniative stun lasts to step 6. But what about a low iniative stun? If it ends at step 6 too, then all 'until the end of your next turn' effects are effectively negated for the entire encounter by the result of one roll, if the character loses iniative. Also, from your steps, you're applying ongoing damage immediately. This may be your intent, but there are going to be potential times when such damage will drop a character to 0 before any chance of lower initative assistance, as well as denying potential flanking bonuses when the character drops unconscious for those in a different iniative bracket. Is there any particular reason why steps 5 and 6 cannot be switched? This will preserve the 'effect occurs at least once' before the saving throw. There is also going to be a good chance that the characters in the high intiative bracket will not benefit from save end effects applied by characters in the low iniative bracket. i.e. low iniative character applies Daze (save ends) in step 4, monster makes save in step 5.  Currently, I see this model encouraging/forcing players to take intiative feats so that they can consistently act in step 2, which then leads to a similar issue in that the party acts simultaneously in step 2, applies effects, then the monsters save in step 5. In general, effects become less useful.  This looks like it might be the basis of a turn sequence for mass combat, where things are a bit more abstracted. But on an individual level, it seems to increase the potentency of ongoing damage, while making other save end effects less useful overall.</blockquote>

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