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<blockquote data-quote="taliesin15" data-source="post: 1901570" data-attributes="member: 22058">scion writes:It is an illusion, nothing really changes, only someones perceptions.not so sure about this, and through reading this entire thread, the deal with Descartes' tree falling in the forest paradox keeps coming up in my mind...if the Silence spell does not actually silence the words coming from a spellcaster's mouth(its only affecting the perceptions of those who do not make Saving Throws), it doesn't really matter whether s/he can hear himself speak the auditory components as long as they are spoken--the important point (if I understand AD&amp;D magic theory) is that they are spoken in the first place--the Gods or Energies that effect the Magic are the important ones here--save maybe for something like the Sorceror where all the power comes from withinconversely, if Silence does affect actual sound, if someone makes their Saving Throw against Silence, but everywhere else in the area is silenced, what happens exactly? Her/his voice breaks through the area of Silence so everyone can hear it? Perhaps s/he hears it but no one else can? If the latter, then how do The Gods and/or Higher Energies that make Magic work in this fictional milieu hear the verbal components?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="taliesin15, post: 1901570, member: 22058"] scion writes: It is an illusion, nothing really changes, only someones perceptions. not so sure about this, and through reading this entire thread, the deal with Descartes' tree falling in the forest paradox keeps coming up in my mind... if the Silence spell does not actually silence the words coming from a spellcaster's mouth(its only affecting the perceptions of those who do not make Saving Throws), it doesn't really matter whether s/he can hear himself speak the auditory components as long as they are spoken--the important point (if I understand AD&D magic theory) is that they are spoken in the first place--the Gods or Energies that effect the Magic are the important ones here--save maybe for something like the Sorceror where all the power comes from within conversely, if Silence does affect actual sound, if someone makes their Saving Throw against Silence, but everywhere else in the area is silenced, what happens exactly? Her/his voice breaks through the area of Silence so everyone can hear it? Perhaps s/he hears it but no one else can? If the latter, then how do The Gods and/or Higher Energies that make Magic work in this fictional milieu hear the verbal components? [/QUOTE]

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