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<blockquote data-quote="takasi" data-source="post: 3581267" data-attributes="member: 20194">By the rules it does not say that the proof has to be incontrovertible.&nbsp; That's an interesting houserule though.&nbsp; I am interested in knowing how to officially interpret it, as this is an RPGA character.With the wall example above, if a party attacks from behind an illusionary wall that is not built to have arrows coming from it (murderholes) then observers do not need a saving throw:&quot;A character faced with proof that an illusion isn’t real needs no saving throw. &quot;Any proof will do.&nbsp; Can anyone claim that illusionist saying &quot;The mist is an illusion, watch as I make it form into the shape of a bird&quot; is NOT proof?&nbsp; This can be done before combat, or if an illusionist wanted to do this in the middle of combat they could have message up beforehand and whisper it to his comrades.As for whether the object has to be solid or not, here is the text from silent image:&nbsp; &quot;This spell creates the visual illusion of an object, creature, or force, as visualized by you.&quot;&nbsp; Nothing stating it has to be solid.&nbsp; phindar said he would rule it that way, but I wanted to point this out to others (especially those at an RPGA table).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takasi, post: 3581267, member: 20194"] By the rules it does not say that the proof has to be incontrovertible. That's an interesting houserule though. I am interested in knowing how to officially interpret it, as this is an RPGA character. With the wall example above, if a party attacks from behind an illusionary wall that is not built to have arrows coming from it (murderholes) then observers do not need a saving throw: "A character faced with proof that an illusion isn’t real needs no saving throw. " Any proof will do. Can anyone claim that illusionist saying "The mist is an illusion, watch as I make it form into the shape of a bird" is NOT proof? This can be done before combat, or if an illusionist wanted to do this in the middle of combat they could have message up beforehand and whisper it to his comrades. As for whether the object has to be solid or not, here is the text from silent image: "This spell creates the visual illusion of an object, creature, or force, as visualized by you." Nothing stating it has to be solid. phindar said he would rule it that way, but I wanted to point this out to others (especially those at an RPGA table). [/QUOTE]

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