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Silly rules question - any feat that just drives you batty?
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<blockquote data-quote="jesseghfan" data-source="post: 1799190" data-attributes="member: 19504"><p>Well, it's not quite a feat, but that is one thing that sure has bothered me over the years. OF COURSE you can sleep in armor. Whoever came up with that idiocy was just trying to beat down characters/ disadvantage armor types. Or they were just ignorant.</p><p></p><p>One simply _can_ sleep in full armor, including helmet. Done it myself (as have many who are both SCA and D&D geeks, I'm sure). It works. Sure, not as comfy as a pillowtop king sized bed. But neither is sleeping on the ground with a nasty root or rock in your back. Don't even get me started about sleeping in a cold, wet, muddy, rocky cave or, horrors, on a slope of any kind. Or on some straw in a barn. Now those are nasty and one will be tired the next day, unless used to it.</p><p></p><p>Armor is padded and made to fit. Especially the helmet. Full of padding, in fact. Yes, metal plates and links of mail (in particular) are nasty directly on flesh . . . but they are whether up and active or asleep. That is why one wears additional layers of padded/ quilted stuff below them (plus aditional absorption/ spreading out of of kinetic energy, yada, yada). I've never tried sleeping in "padded" or "leather" armor, but my experience in them suggests they would be no more uncomfortable, perhaps more comfortable. The worst problem in sleeping in armor, in my opinion, is that it is rather warm. But, given the underground temperature is consistently cool, that might even be a nice thing.</p><p></p><p>For the record . . . </p><p>Monkey Grip is overly ridiculous for previously mentioned reasons; </p><p></p><p>Manyshot I rationalize/ explain away not as shooting two arrows at the exact same instant (as is obviously meant), but training oneself to take one shoot and immediately load, draw, and snap a second shot off really quickly without aiming (almost sorta like a double tap with a firearm)- I've been shocked at how fast really good archers can get off two shots at the same target, and this is how I stomach the feat; </p><p></p><p>I dislike Precise shot and Improved Precise Shot- they are (in effect) saying that it is just as easy to hit a man-sized target at 100 yards and a 1/8 man-sized target at 100 yards. No it isn't. The smaller target is harder to hit. Period. Additionally, no matter how good an attacker is, his target's AC should remain a constant. Want to give the attacker an attack bonus, fine. But his target's AC is a physical reality;</p><p></p><p>OA unarmed attack feats (Freeze LB, etc.) - you guys are playing that they use up a stun attempt, as "errata-d", right? What's the problem?;</p><p></p><p>Oh, yeah, one more little rant. I realize it is again for "balance" issues, but who in the world came up with the idea that a size small archer will be more accurate (due to size adjustment) than a size large? How about a little research into physical reality, authors? A 3 foot tall guy (with average strength for such) and a 11 foot tall guy (with average strength for such) fire at the same target 100 yards away. The big guy's missile is larger (both in diameter and length) and shot with more force. Everything else equal, the big guy will be more likely to hit. Simply the way it works. Bigger projectiles shot harder are more accurate, studies have said. That's one reason why when they due ballistics testing they use mock-up extra, much, much larger projectiles. Is it due to wind resistance, changes in air pressure as the missile travels through it, or whatnot? I don't know, not a physicist. But it works that way. </p><p></p><p>Try it yourself. Get one of those children's 25 pound pull bows and fire it off at a target 50 yards (or, heck, 50 feet) away. Then try a 50 pound pull adult's bow (if you have enough strength to pull it without strain). Now try telling me the smaller, weaker fellow has an advantage. Bilge.</p><p></p><p>Plus, someone only 3 feet off the ground is quite more often going to have some obstruction (bush, rock, natural rise of the ground) blocking his view to the target than an 11 foot fellow. I think we tend to think of the Earth as a lot flatter (due to bull dozers, determined farmers, etc.) and smoother than it is in an unworked state. So a pox on the idea that smaller folks are better marksmen at a goodly distance, I say!</p><p></p><p>I feel better. Thanks for listening.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jesseghfan, post: 1799190, member: 19504"] Well, it's not quite a feat, but that is one thing that sure has bothered me over the years. OF COURSE you can sleep in armor. Whoever came up with that idiocy was just trying to beat down characters/ disadvantage armor types. Or they were just ignorant. One simply _can_ sleep in full armor, including helmet. Done it myself (as have many who are both SCA and D&D geeks, I'm sure). It works. Sure, not as comfy as a pillowtop king sized bed. But neither is sleeping on the ground with a nasty root or rock in your back. Don't even get me started about sleeping in a cold, wet, muddy, rocky cave or, horrors, on a slope of any kind. Or on some straw in a barn. Now those are nasty and one will be tired the next day, unless used to it. Armor is padded and made to fit. Especially the helmet. Full of padding, in fact. Yes, metal plates and links of mail (in particular) are nasty directly on flesh . . . but they are whether up and active or asleep. That is why one wears additional layers of padded/ quilted stuff below them (plus aditional absorption/ spreading out of of kinetic energy, yada, yada). I've never tried sleeping in "padded" or "leather" armor, but my experience in them suggests they would be no more uncomfortable, perhaps more comfortable. The worst problem in sleeping in armor, in my opinion, is that it is rather warm. But, given the underground temperature is consistently cool, that might even be a nice thing. For the record . . . Monkey Grip is overly ridiculous for previously mentioned reasons; Manyshot I rationalize/ explain away not as shooting two arrows at the exact same instant (as is obviously meant), but training oneself to take one shoot and immediately load, draw, and snap a second shot off really quickly without aiming (almost sorta like a double tap with a firearm)- I've been shocked at how fast really good archers can get off two shots at the same target, and this is how I stomach the feat; I dislike Precise shot and Improved Precise Shot- they are (in effect) saying that it is just as easy to hit a man-sized target at 100 yards and a 1/8 man-sized target at 100 yards. No it isn't. The smaller target is harder to hit. Period. Additionally, no matter how good an attacker is, his target's AC should remain a constant. Want to give the attacker an attack bonus, fine. But his target's AC is a physical reality; OA unarmed attack feats (Freeze LB, etc.) - you guys are playing that they use up a stun attempt, as "errata-d", right? What's the problem?; Oh, yeah, one more little rant. I realize it is again for "balance" issues, but who in the world came up with the idea that a size small archer will be more accurate (due to size adjustment) than a size large? How about a little research into physical reality, authors? A 3 foot tall guy (with average strength for such) and a 11 foot tall guy (with average strength for such) fire at the same target 100 yards away. The big guy's missile is larger (both in diameter and length) and shot with more force. Everything else equal, the big guy will be more likely to hit. Simply the way it works. Bigger projectiles shot harder are more accurate, studies have said. That's one reason why when they due ballistics testing they use mock-up extra, much, much larger projectiles. Is it due to wind resistance, changes in air pressure as the missile travels through it, or whatnot? I don't know, not a physicist. But it works that way. Try it yourself. Get one of those children's 25 pound pull bows and fire it off at a target 50 yards (or, heck, 50 feet) away. Then try a 50 pound pull adult's bow (if you have enough strength to pull it without strain). Now try telling me the smaller, weaker fellow has an advantage. Bilge. Plus, someone only 3 feet off the ground is quite more often going to have some obstruction (bush, rock, natural rise of the ground) blocking his view to the target than an 11 foot fellow. I think we tend to think of the Earth as a lot flatter (due to bull dozers, determined farmers, etc.) and smoother than it is in an unworked state. So a pox on the idea that smaller folks are better marksmen at a goodly distance, I say! I feel better. Thanks for listening. [/QUOTE]
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