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Silly Silence spell trick? (Constraining its emanation to only your square)
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<blockquote data-quote="Thikket" data-source="post: 3808424" data-attributes="member: 13333"><p>Cool. I had to reread the PHB glossary's words on Line of Sight and Line of Effect, but I think I understand everything that Hypersmurf has presented now.</p><p></p><p>Strictly RAW, it seems that this has bad consequences that I've never considered before, one of which IceFractal already pointed out -- the completely enclosed 1' cube problem. (A <em>silence</em> pebble inside a small enclosed iron box still emanates normally; but if the box is 5'x5', the emanation is constrained to only one square.)</p><p></p><p>Say I am prone in my square underneath a thin 5'x5' blanket, trying to get Total Cover from the Flying Boogieman who is hovering in the square above my space. There is no line of sight (nor line of effect) between my square and the square above mine -- I have a "solid barrier" (the blanket) above my head. However, there <strong>are</strong> lines of sight and effect from my squares to the square to the north, south, east, etc., because the sides of the blanket are too thin to count as a "solid barrier", even though I'm cowering underneath the thing. So I can see the Pedestrian Boogieman who is standing to my north (and he can see me...), but I can't see the Flying Boogieman above my head.</p><p></p><p>Of course, a typical DM would rule I have the Blinded condition, but would he also rule that I have total cover (or concealment) from the Pedestrian Boogieman who is standing to my north?</p><p></p><p>Back to strict RAW, before a DM says "a blindfold applies the Blinded condition to your character", it seems that my character who wears a blindfold still has his or her normal line of sight.</p><p></p><p>I hope I'm misinterpreting things again. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rules texts of Line of Sight and Line of Effect for the crazy people like me who enjoy these random semantics:</p><p>[sblock]PHB310</p><p><strong>line of effect</strong> Line of effect tells you whether an effect (such as an explosion) can reach a creature. Line of effect is just like line of sight, except line of effect ignores restrictions on visual ability. For instance, a <em>fireball</em>'s explosion doesn't care if a creature is invisible or hiding in darkness.</p><p></p><p><strong>line of sight</strong> Two creatures can see each other if they have line of sight to each other. To determine line of sight, draw an imaginary line between your space and the target's space. If any such line is clear (not blocked), then you have line of sight to the creature (and it has line of sight to you). The line is clear if it doesn't intersect or even touch squares that block line of sight. If you can't see the target (for instance, if you're blind or the target is invisible), you can't have line of sight to it even if you could draw an unblocked line between your space and the target's.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">author's note: check out that circle of the term "see" in the "line of sight" text --</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">(1) two creatures can see each other IF they have line of sight</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">(2) IF you can't see the target, [THEN] you cannot have line of sight to it</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">I take (1) to be a definition of the term "see" in D&D. To rectify this, I am assuming that the only times I cannot "see the target" for the purposes of (2) are when the rules specifically say I cannot: when I am afflicted with a <em>blindness/deafness</em> spell and have the Blinded condition, to use the text's example.</span></p><p>[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thikket, post: 3808424, member: 13333"] Cool. I had to reread the PHB glossary's words on Line of Sight and Line of Effect, but I think I understand everything that Hypersmurf has presented now. Strictly RAW, it seems that this has bad consequences that I've never considered before, one of which IceFractal already pointed out -- the completely enclosed 1' cube problem. (A [i]silence[/i] pebble inside a small enclosed iron box still emanates normally; but if the box is 5'x5', the emanation is constrained to only one square.) Say I am prone in my square underneath a thin 5'x5' blanket, trying to get Total Cover from the Flying Boogieman who is hovering in the square above my space. There is no line of sight (nor line of effect) between my square and the square above mine -- I have a "solid barrier" (the blanket) above my head. However, there [b]are[/b] lines of sight and effect from my squares to the square to the north, south, east, etc., because the sides of the blanket are too thin to count as a "solid barrier", even though I'm cowering underneath the thing. So I can see the Pedestrian Boogieman who is standing to my north (and he can see me...), but I can't see the Flying Boogieman above my head. Of course, a typical DM would rule I have the Blinded condition, but would he also rule that I have total cover (or concealment) from the Pedestrian Boogieman who is standing to my north? Back to strict RAW, before a DM says "a blindfold applies the Blinded condition to your character", it seems that my character who wears a blindfold still has his or her normal line of sight. I hope I'm misinterpreting things again. :D Rules texts of Line of Sight and Line of Effect for the crazy people like me who enjoy these random semantics: [sblock]PHB310 [b]line of effect[/b] Line of effect tells you whether an effect (such as an explosion) can reach a creature. Line of effect is just like line of sight, except line of effect ignores restrictions on visual ability. For instance, a [i]fireball[/i]'s explosion doesn't care if a creature is invisible or hiding in darkness. [b]line of sight[/b] Two creatures can see each other if they have line of sight to each other. To determine line of sight, draw an imaginary line between your space and the target's space. If any such line is clear (not blocked), then you have line of sight to the creature (and it has line of sight to you). The line is clear if it doesn't intersect or even touch squares that block line of sight. If you can't see the target (for instance, if you're blind or the target is invisible), you can't have line of sight to it even if you could draw an unblocked line between your space and the target's. [SIZE=1]author's note: check out that circle of the term "see" in the "line of sight" text -- (1) two creatures can see each other IF they have line of sight (2) IF you can't see the target, [THEN] you cannot have line of sight to it I take (1) to be a definition of the term "see" in D&D. To rectify this, I am assuming that the only times I cannot "see the target" for the purposes of (2) are when the rules specifically say I cannot: when I am afflicted with a [i]blindness/deafness[/i] spell and have the Blinded condition, to use the text's example.[/SIZE] [/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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