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Silly Silence spell trick? (Constraining its emanation to only your square)
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<blockquote data-quote="Thikket" data-source="post: 3809860" data-attributes="member: 13333"><p>This is a very common question about <em>silence</em>. In short, the Will save and SR sections of the spell only apply for the "anchoring" of the spell -- if you try to anchor <em>silence</em> to a creature, that creature can fizzle your spell by passing a Will save or successfully using SR. If you anchor <em>silence</em> elsewhere, creatures that are in the area or later enter the area are simply silenced (no save, no SR).</p><p></p><p>***</p><p></p><p>From the spell description:</p><p>Saving Throw: Will negates; see text or none (object)</p><p></p><p></p><p>[This tells us that sometimes a Will save applies (and we must "see text"); other times, no Will save applies (when the spell is cast on an object).]</p><p></p><p>The relevant bits of the text for the purposes of a saving throw are:</p><p></p><p></p><p>(1) The spell can be cast on a point in space, but the effect is stationary unless cast on a mobile object. </p><p>(2) The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. <strong>An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. </strong></p><p>(3) Items in a creature’s possession or magic items that emit sound receive the benefits of saves and spell resistance, but unattended objects and points in space do not.</p><p></p><p>From (1) and (3), we see that we can cast <em>silence</em> on a point in space or an unattended object, and there is no saving throw involved. That point in space or object will now be the origin point for the silence emanation. Characters who enter the field of silence do not receive a saving throw; they are simply silenced (no save, no SR).</p><p></p><p>From (2), we see from my bold emphasis that if we cast <em>silence</em> on a creature, it anchors to that creature, and a creature can attempt a Will save or apply SR to negate this effect. So in particular, if I cast <em>silence</em> on a creature and it passes a Will save, my spell does nothing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>(This is why a plain <em>silence</em> anchored on yourself is bad for stealth: you may end up walking by someone within 20', and they will be automatically silenced, and definitely be tipped off to your presence.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thikket, post: 3809860, member: 13333"] This is a very common question about [i]silence[/i]. In short, the Will save and SR sections of the spell only apply for the "anchoring" of the spell -- if you try to anchor [i]silence[/i] to a creature, that creature can fizzle your spell by passing a Will save or successfully using SR. If you anchor [i]silence[/i] elsewhere, creatures that are in the area or later enter the area are simply silenced (no save, no SR). *** From the spell description: Saving Throw: Will negates; see text or none (object) [This tells us that sometimes a Will save applies (and we must "see text"); other times, no Will save applies (when the spell is cast on an object).] The relevant bits of the text for the purposes of a saving throw are: (1) The spell can be cast on a point in space, but the effect is stationary unless cast on a mobile object. (2) The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. [b]An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. [/b] (3) Items in a creature’s possession or magic items that emit sound receive the benefits of saves and spell resistance, but unattended objects and points in space do not. From (1) and (3), we see that we can cast [i]silence[/i] on a point in space or an unattended object, and there is no saving throw involved. That point in space or object will now be the origin point for the silence emanation. Characters who enter the field of silence do not receive a saving throw; they are simply silenced (no save, no SR). From (2), we see from my bold emphasis that if we cast [i]silence[/i] on a creature, it anchors to that creature, and a creature can attempt a Will save or apply SR to negate this effect. So in particular, if I cast [i]silence[/i] on a creature and it passes a Will save, my spell does nothing. (This is why a plain [i]silence[/i] anchored on yourself is bad for stealth: you may end up walking by someone within 20', and they will be automatically silenced, and definitely be tipped off to your presence.) [/QUOTE]
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