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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 64216" data-attributes="member: 413"><p>I don't think you've received a _correct_ answer to your second question yet. Assuming the character casts defensively(or for some reason, the surrounding characters chose not to take their AoOs when he cast)...if he moves more than 5' immediately after casting(in the same round that he cast), he does, indeed, provoke an AoO. It matters not a wit that he is invisible. He is leaving a threatened square and he has done more than move. As per the AoO rules on p. 117 of the PHB, this provokes an AoO. That rule does not mention that you must see the target of the AoO to get it and the Invisiblity spell(nor condition in the DMG nor the Concealment rules) does not say that it somehow negates AoOs. </p><p></p><p>So by the core rules: moving out of a threatened square, after casting an invisibility spell provokes an AoO from any character who is elligible to take one(hits will have a 50% miss chance due to full concealment).</p><p></p><p>Now...it might make a nice house rule that full concealment prevents AoOs...but that is for house rules.</p><p></p><p>Remember...those 4 characters who have the caster surrounded are not just standing there like dolts(even once he is invisible). They KNOW he is there, they are probably poking their swords at him and trying to stab him. For him to move more than 5', he must drop his defenses and provokes an AoO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Uller, post: 64216, member: 413"] I don't think you've received a _correct_ answer to your second question yet. Assuming the character casts defensively(or for some reason, the surrounding characters chose not to take their AoOs when he cast)...if he moves more than 5' immediately after casting(in the same round that he cast), he does, indeed, provoke an AoO. It matters not a wit that he is invisible. He is leaving a threatened square and he has done more than move. As per the AoO rules on p. 117 of the PHB, this provokes an AoO. That rule does not mention that you must see the target of the AoO to get it and the Invisiblity spell(nor condition in the DMG nor the Concealment rules) does not say that it somehow negates AoOs. So by the core rules: moving out of a threatened square, after casting an invisibility spell provokes an AoO from any character who is elligible to take one(hits will have a 50% miss chance due to full concealment). Now...it might make a nice house rule that full concealment prevents AoOs...but that is for house rules. Remember...those 4 characters who have the caster surrounded are not just standing there like dolts(even once he is invisible). They KNOW he is there, they are probably poking their swords at him and trying to stab him. For him to move more than 5', he must drop his defenses and provokes an AoO. [/QUOTE]
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