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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1202628" data-attributes="member: 14225">It is a half-assed attempt to fit a bit of realism in. However, since it then goes back and assumes that all creatures of the same size have the same hand size - it's also completely off base. A Boggle, a Human, and Centaur are all supposed to be able to wear the same non-magical gloves - so any possible claims about &quot;realism&quot; are completely out the window as soon as we attempt to wrap our minds around the 3.5 weapon sizes rules.Secondly, the actual proper ratio of length to thickness in a spear is fixed based on the type of materials used (there is a certain minimum thickness to keep a spear usable, and any additional weight allowance would be spent on having a longer spear). So any masterwork spear should be defined by length only - the &quot;intended user&quot; is not important because there is no pommel. So don't try to wrap your mind around the &quot;difference&quot; between a medium longspear and a large shortspear - it will only serve to break your mind.Thirdly, the 3.5 rules introduce a minimum weapon size for creatures to be able to use. A character cannot use a weapon that is an object more than 3 sizes smaller than themselves. So a Human cannot fight with a dimminutive object, for example. That means that humans cannot stab people with shivs, kitchen knives, scalpels, holdout knives, or knitting needles. It also means that humans cannot wear brass knuckles as they are &quot;too small&quot; to be used as a weapon.The 3.5 rules for weapon sizes were partly a good idea - in that reminding people that any weapon can be sized up or down as far as you want is a good idea. However, the implimention of penalties for using sized weaponry and minimm weapon size rules make no sense at all and were a terrible idea.The part that was a good idea is actually in the 3rd edition rules - so there is actually nothing good here at all once you incoporate Sword and Fist or the A&amp;EG into your game.-Frank</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1202628, member: 14225"] It is a half-assed attempt to fit a bit of realism in. However, since it then goes back and assumes that all creatures of the same size have the same hand size - it's [i]also[/i] completely off base. A Boggle, a Human, and Centaur are all supposed to be able to wear the same non-magical gloves - so any possible claims about "realism" are completely out the window as soon as we attempt to wrap our minds around the 3.5 weapon sizes rules. Secondly, the actual proper ratio of length to thickness in a spear is fixed based on the type of materials used (there is a certain minimum thickness to keep a spear usable, and any additional weight allowance would be spent on having a longer spear). So any masterwork spear should be defined by length [i]only[/i] - the "intended user" is not important because there [i]is no pommel[/i]. So don't try to wrap your mind around the "difference" between a medium longspear and a large shortspear - it will only serve to break your mind. Thirdly, the 3.5 rules introduce a minimum weapon size for creatures to be able to use. A character cannot use a weapon that is an object more than 3 sizes smaller than themselves. So a Human cannot fight with a dimminutive object, for example. That means that humans cannot stab people with shivs, kitchen knives, scalpels, holdout knives, or knitting needles. It also means that humans cannot wear brass knuckles as they are "too small" to be used as a weapon. The 3.5 rules for weapon sizes were partly a good idea - in that reminding people that any weapon can be sized up or down as far as you want is a good idea. However, the implimention of penalties for using sized weaponry and minimm weapon size rules make no sense at all and were a terrible idea. The part that was a good idea is actually [i]in[/i] the 3rd edition rules - so there is actually nothing good here at all once you incoporate Sword and Fist or the A&EG into your game. -Frank [/QUOTE]

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