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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1202914" data-attributes="member: 1656">Particularly since the Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed designations only apply to melee weapons.A Medium shuriken is not a Light Medium weapon, or a One-Handed Medium weapon, or a Two-Handed Medium weapon.&nbsp; It's just a Medium weapon.&nbsp; Since it's not a melee weapon, those three terms do not apply.So, a Medium creature using a Small shuriken takes a -2 penalty... but since it wasn't Light, One-Handed, or Two-Handed for a Small creature, its designation isn't &quot;changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration&quot; for a Medium character, and he can wield it.&nbsp; Just like he can, by the rules, use a Large, Huge, Gargantuan, or Collosal shuriken at -2, -4, -6, and -8 penalties respectively.Likewise, he can use a Collosal heavy crossbow at a -8 penalty, or in one hand with a -12 penalty.&nbsp; He might not be able to use one in each hand, however... since using a heavy crossbow in each hand incurs penalties as if using two one-handed weapons, it could be argued that using a Collosal heavy crossbow in each hand incurs penalties as if using two larger-than-two-handed weapons... and those penalties are undefined, since one can't wield two larger-than-two-handed weapons.&nbsp; With undefined penalties, it would be reasonable for a DM to say &quot;can't do it&quot;.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1202914, member: 1656"] Particularly since the Light, One-Handed, and Two-Handed designations only apply to melee weapons. A Medium shuriken is not a Light Medium weapon, or a One-Handed Medium weapon, or a Two-Handed Medium weapon. It's just a Medium weapon. Since it's not a melee weapon, those three terms do not apply. So, a Medium creature using a Small shuriken takes a -2 penalty... but since it wasn't Light, One-Handed, or Two-Handed for a Small creature, its designation isn't "changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration" for a Medium character, and he can wield it. Just like he can, by the rules, use a Large, Huge, Gargantuan, or Collosal shuriken at -2, -4, -6, and -8 penalties respectively. Likewise, he can use a Collosal heavy crossbow at a -8 penalty, or in one hand with a -12 penalty. He might not be able to use one in [i]each[/i] hand, however... since using a heavy crossbow in each hand incurs penalties as if using two one-handed weapons, it could be argued that using a Collosal heavy crossbow in each hand incurs penalties as if using two larger-than-two-handed weapons... and those penalties are undefined, since one can't [i]wield[/i] two larger-than-two-handed weapons. With undefined penalties, it would be reasonable for a DM to say "can't do it". -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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