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<blockquote data-quote="Snipehunt" data-source="post: 1206356" data-attributes="member: 13142"><p>There is simply no reason to support the 3.5 system based on "realism." It does not realistically portray differences in sizes of weapons, and adds in the extra surreality of reach and missile weapons. </p><p></p><p>I mean, are you really basing your support to the 3.5 system on the <strong>hilt</strong> of a bladed weapon? I am not a swordsmith, but I can swap out a hilt on a sword in 30 minutes, tops. The only relevant portion of the sword would be the tang, which is much smaller than the hilt and can easily support a hilt thicker or even thinner. Perhaps a huge dagger would be difficult to convert to a small-sized hand, but that's about where limits begin - not where the end, as under 3.5. </p><p></p><p>This is all trivial. And has no effect on the <strong>damage</strong> and <strong>usability</strong> of a weapon. There is absolutely no reason why, even if you think the hilt is important, you couldn't swap out a hilt and have a weapon usable without any difficulty. The balance issues are simply irrelevant. Really, all you are talking about is an improvised weapon penalty that should disappear once you have 1/2 an hour and a little time.</p><p></p><p>If you really wanted to do a silly comparison, you could put an enlarged cinqueda into Conan's hand. Still irrelevant, though, because the amalgam of dissimilar things we call "daggers," "longswords," and "short swords," and to a lesser extent bastard swords and greatswords, represent dozens, if not hundreds, of different weapons with vastly different balance, weight, hilts, etc.</p><p></p><p>Here's a small collection of images from the net, swords and daggers. Some things:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Relative width/length/balance all change dramatically. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Hilts vary in size dramatically.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Although dagger width/length is different from longswords, the shortsword/longsword/bastardsword (and greatsword) ratio remains pretty much the same. So why the penalty?</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_25431774" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p><img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_11682139" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p><img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_15152796" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1759_1239775" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p>5<img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_25407434" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p>6<img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_6959007" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p>7<img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_7370386" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p>8<img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1763_2410837" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> </p><p></p><p>9<img src="http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_15346457[/IMG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snipehunt, post: 1206356, member: 13142"] There is simply no reason to support the 3.5 system based on "realism." It does not realistically portray differences in sizes of weapons, and adds in the extra surreality of reach and missile weapons. I mean, are you really basing your support to the 3.5 system on the [b]hilt[/b] of a bladed weapon? I am not a swordsmith, but I can swap out a hilt on a sword in 30 minutes, tops. The only relevant portion of the sword would be the tang, which is much smaller than the hilt and can easily support a hilt thicker or even thinner. Perhaps a huge dagger would be difficult to convert to a small-sized hand, but that's about where limits begin - not where the end, as under 3.5. This is all trivial. And has no effect on the [b]damage[/b] and [b]usability[/b] of a weapon. There is absolutely no reason why, even if you think the hilt is important, you couldn't swap out a hilt and have a weapon usable without any difficulty. The balance issues are simply irrelevant. Really, all you are talking about is an improvised weapon penalty that should disappear once you have 1/2 an hour and a little time. If you really wanted to do a silly comparison, you could put an enlarged cinqueda into Conan's hand. Still irrelevant, though, because the amalgam of dissimilar things we call "daggers," "longswords," and "short swords," and to a lesser extent bastard swords and greatswords, represent dozens, if not hundreds, of different weapons with vastly different balance, weight, hilts, etc. Here's a small collection of images from the net, swords and daggers. Some things: [list] [*] Relative width/length/balance all change dramatically. [*] Hilts vary in size dramatically. [*] Although dagger width/length is different from longswords, the shortsword/longsword/bastardsword (and greatsword) ratio remains pretty much the same. So why the penalty? [/list] [IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_25431774[/IMG] [IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_11682139[/IMG] [IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_15152796[/IMG] [IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1759_1239775[/IMG] 5[IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_25407434[/IMG] 6[IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_6959007[/IMG] 7[IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_7370386[/IMG] 8[IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1763_2410837[/IMG] 9[IMG]http://store6.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1757_15346457[/IMG[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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