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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 1207646" data-attributes="member: 96">We're not talking about precise fit.&nbsp; We're talking about being the same general size.Yes, you can pick up a knitting needle and stab someone with it.&nbsp; Do you really, honestly think you have the same degree of control as you do with a knife? Of course not.&nbsp; There's that penalty.&nbsp; You can do it, but it's harder.&nbsp; That's what penalty means.Maybe not in waving them around.&nbsp; If you took a real hammer sized that way and tried to pound nails with it you would find your hand cramping from the small size of the grip.&nbsp; We're not talking about waving it around in the air for 5 seconds, remember - we're talking about trying to kill someone.&nbsp; We're talking about using the weapon with great force for a significant amount of time.&nbsp; Nobody's disputing what you can effectively pick up.&nbsp; I'm disputing the claim that you can pick up a knitting needle and use it in a 10-minute battle and be equally as accurate and effective as you could with a weapon that has a proper hilt.Again I ask, since you didn't answer the first time: If hilts aren't important, why do all swords have them?Look at some suggestions for using hand tools - they're the closest thing you're going to find in the modern world.&nbsp;&nbsp; Here's a quote from an ergonomics website: &quot;Tools should fit in the hand for a comfortable grip, about 1 1/2&quot; in diameter. A grip that is too big or too small cause muscles to overwork.&quot;Here's another one: &quot;A tool such as a hammer should have a diameter of at least 1½ inches.&quot;And this one's from OSHA: &quot;Tool handles that are too small or too big reduce the employee’s grip efficiency. Improperly sized handles force employees to exert more finger force just to hold it. Continual or prolonged exertion of finger force can lead to tendon inflammation and injury, especially if the wrist is bent.&quot;Now, what would be the game effects of finger strain and injury?&nbsp; Might they be...a penalty?Food for thought.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 1207646, member: 96"] We're not talking about precise fit. We're talking about being the same general size. Yes, you can pick up a knitting needle and stab someone with it. Do you really, honestly think you have the same degree of control as you do with a knife? Of course not. There's that penalty. You can do it, but it's harder. That's what penalty means. Maybe not in waving them around. If you took a real hammer sized that way and tried to pound nails with it you would find your hand cramping from the small size of the grip. We're not talking about waving it around in the air for 5 seconds, remember - we're talking about trying to kill someone. We're talking about using the weapon with great force for a significant amount of time. Nobody's disputing what you can effectively pick up. I'm disputing the claim that you can pick up a knitting needle and use it in a 10-minute battle and be equally as accurate and effective as you could with a weapon that has a proper hilt. Again I ask, since you didn't answer the first time: [b]If hilts aren't important, why do all swords have them?[/b] Look at some suggestions for using hand tools - they're the closest thing you're going to find in the modern world. Here's a quote from an ergonomics website: "Tools should fit in the hand for a comfortable grip, about 1 1/2" in diameter. A grip that is too big or too small cause muscles to overwork." Here's another one: "A tool such as a hammer should have a diameter of at least 1½ inches." And this one's from OSHA: "Tool handles that are too small or too big reduce the employee’s grip efficiency. Improperly sized handles force employees to exert more finger force just to hold it. Continual or prolonged exertion of finger force can lead to tendon inflammation and injury, especially if the wrist is bent." Now, what would be the game effects of finger strain and injury? Might they be...a penalty? Food for thought. J [/QUOTE]

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