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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6060301" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>My whole issue with this whole thing usually plays out because of the whole "sub-class" concept that bunches of people keep throwing out there. The premise that Warlocks and Sorcerers are "sub-classes" of the Wizard. And it's this idea that makes me reflexively say "Uh... no, they're not. They're NOTHING like the Wizard and how the wizard acquires magic and uses magic." They are each completely separate concepts, they each acquire and use magic in completely different ways, and the only reason they get put into "Wizard sub-class" box is because the Wizard appeared first, and that the magical "stuff" that they manipulate got called "Arcane Magic".</p><p></p><p>But the truth be told... all three of those classes are ON PAR with each other. None of them are subservient or "lesser" casting methods than another. And it's the same with with the Cleric and Druid. Druidic magic is its own thing and in no way a sub-set of what Clerics are.</p><p></p><p>To me... its the School Specialization and the Specialty Priests that are the true "sub-classes" of the Wizard and Cleric... because they actually use the form of the primary class-- how they acquire magic, manipulate magic, and look when using it. An Illusionist is a Wizard sub-class, because they basically ARE Wizards, except that they only use one small sub-set of a Wizard's abilities (and as a result are more powerful in those abilities because they focused on them).</p><p></p><p>Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Warlock, Sorcerer, Psion. Each of them individual classes, each of them equal in terms of power, each of them use "magic" in their own particular way that is different and separate from any other-- described by the person using it with terms like divine, primal, arcane, pact, origin, or psionic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6060301, member: 7006"] My whole issue with this whole thing usually plays out because of the whole "sub-class" concept that bunches of people keep throwing out there. The premise that Warlocks and Sorcerers are "sub-classes" of the Wizard. And it's this idea that makes me reflexively say "Uh... no, they're not. They're NOTHING like the Wizard and how the wizard acquires magic and uses magic." They are each completely separate concepts, they each acquire and use magic in completely different ways, and the only reason they get put into "Wizard sub-class" box is because the Wizard appeared first, and that the magical "stuff" that they manipulate got called "Arcane Magic". But the truth be told... all three of those classes are ON PAR with each other. None of them are subservient or "lesser" casting methods than another. And it's the same with with the Cleric and Druid. Druidic magic is its own thing and in no way a sub-set of what Clerics are. To me... its the School Specialization and the Specialty Priests that are the true "sub-classes" of the Wizard and Cleric... because they actually use the form of the primary class-- how they acquire magic, manipulate magic, and look when using it. An Illusionist is a Wizard sub-class, because they basically ARE Wizards, except that they only use one small sub-set of a Wizard's abilities (and as a result are more powerful in those abilities because they focused on them). Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Warlock, Sorcerer, Psion. Each of them individual classes, each of them equal in terms of power, each of them use "magic" in their own particular way that is different and separate from any other-- described by the person using it with terms like divine, primal, arcane, pact, origin, or psionic. [/QUOTE]
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