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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 6928550" data-attributes="member: 57494">Oh, I don't mean &quot;expert&quot; stuff as non-combat and &quot;warrior&quot; stuff as combat. I mean like the difference between the essential's fighter's stances and the essential's rogue's tricks. Likely semantics.I'm not sure what you mean.It's not just about bigger numbers vs. smaller numbers. It's about the inherent balance points of the system. 4E fights take more rounds, giving you more opportunities for varied actions. Player and monster numbers were largely comparable (monsters had more HP, but they also didn't generally have healing). Warriors had interesting actions from the get go, even if you just looked at at-wills (someone could trip and deal damage with an at-will, in 5th you can only trip). It's mostly that number of rounds things that does it for me. A 5E Fighter can drop it's self in one hit (2d6*+3, 5-15 damage, averaging 11.33, typical fighter starting HP is 12). Even a slayer's damage of something like 2d6+3+2+2, or whatever it would be, compared to a fighter's starting HP of like 27 means you're going to take at least two good hits instead of possibly one.Plus, encounter recovery and healing surges makes designing an adventuring day more interesting.I only think it's simpler in that instead of each class having a power list of 100+, with differently named duplicates across them, those duplicates are pared down.I'm wondering if my not liking martial dailies could be reconciled in this, and just have daily martial powers that are activated upon waking and give an all day bonus; that way this could be traded for a different daily for a multiclasser.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 6928550, member: 57494"] Oh, I don't mean "expert" stuff as non-combat and "warrior" stuff as combat. I mean like the difference between the essential's fighter's stances and the essential's rogue's tricks. Likely semantics. I'm not sure what you mean. It's not just about bigger numbers vs. smaller numbers. It's about the inherent balance points of the system. 4E fights take more rounds, giving you more opportunities for varied actions. Player and monster numbers were largely comparable (monsters had more HP, but they also didn't generally have healing). Warriors had interesting actions from the get go, even if you just looked at at-wills (someone could trip and deal damage with an at-will, in 5th you can only trip). It's mostly that number of rounds things that does it for me. A 5E Fighter can drop it's self in one hit (2d6*+3, 5-15 damage, averaging 11.33, typical fighter starting HP is 12). Even a slayer's damage of something like 2d6+3+2+2, or whatever it would be, compared to a fighter's starting HP of like 27 means you're going to take at least two good hits instead of possibly one. Plus, encounter recovery and healing surges makes designing an adventuring day more interesting. I only think it's simpler in that instead of each class having a power list of 100+, with differently named duplicates across them, those duplicates are pared down. I'm wondering if my not liking martial dailies could be reconciled in this, and just have daily martial powers that are activated upon waking and give an all day bonus; that way this could be traded for a different daily for a multiclasser. [/QUOTE]

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