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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6298467" data-attributes="member: 17106">There isn't really anything to facilitate it either. If the NPC doesn't define himself according to the four combat roles, there's no class for him. Part of what 3e in particular did is design classes meant to fill broader roles in the world. Both the flavor text and the mechanics themselves make clear that the PC classes were built with nonadventuring NPC applications as a consideration, and then you have the NPC classes.If I want to stat up some hedge wizard magic shop owner as a significant character, I've got the wizard class and the adept class as options that were clearly intended for that. If I want the guy at the temple selling spells, then it's cleric or adept. Captain of the Guard? Fighter; warrior maybe in a small town. Cat burglar? Rogue. Nobleman? Aristocrat. In 4e, I've got nothing appropriate for any of those. Not that 3e is perfect, but it's got something.Depends on what kind of barbarian we're talking about. If we're talking about a PF barbarian with all those pesky rage powers, yes there could stand to be an easier way of doing it. But one of the benchmarks of a well designed class is that it can be used efficiently for this purpose.That's one of the reasons the PF fighter is such a good piece of design. How long does that take to apply? Not much longer than just making up some numbers and contriving them enough to serve a purpose.Sure it is. It's not something a human could have (except temporarily through occasional spells), but it's entirely possible for a PC to have one. Savage Species FTW!Highly.Players. Either players who want to play a monstrous character, or players who want a level playing field. And DMs who like the system as a whole to be coherent and make sense.The same place that any DC in 3e comes from: HD/Level and ability modifier. The HD is the measure of how good you are at being whatever you are, and the ability mod is a measure of how naturally talented you are at doing what you're doing. That's pretty much how most D&D math works.</blockquote>

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