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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6299519" data-attributes="member: 27160">Versus its AC of around 37, with their ~+20 to hit (21 vs AC, 19 vs NADs, roughly), needing ~17+ to hit. Compare this with the Standard: AC ~29 (hit on 8-10), hit points ~199 with PCs doing around 35 damage per hit, on average. The minion does 16 damage on a hit - which it does at roughly +30 (hitting most PCs on any but a 1). The Standard does ~30 damage on a hit, but only does so at around +22 (hitting on around a 9+).The Standard is a bit tougher to kill - I picked a Paragon level Brute as base, which was not a good choice on my part - but they are really not that far apart. The action points, re-rolls and so on apply as much to the Standard as the Minion - re-rolls maybe more on the Minion, action points arguably more on the Standard.P.S. This may seem at odds with common experience of 4E, because you typically don't face L17 Standard monsters and L25 Minions with characters at the same level. More usual would be L17 standards and L17 Minions - in which case, of course, the Minions drop faster. That's only natural - they are the equivalent of somewhere around L9 &quot;Standard&quot; monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 6299519, member: 27160"] Versus its AC of around 37, with their ~+20 to hit (21 vs AC, 19 vs NADs, roughly), needing ~17+ to hit. Compare this with the Standard: AC ~29 (hit on 8-10), hit points ~199 with PCs doing around 35 damage per hit, on average. The minion does 16 damage on a hit - which it does at roughly +30 (hitting most PCs on any but a 1). The Standard does ~30 damage on a hit, but only does so at around +22 (hitting on around a 9+). The Standard is a bit tougher to kill - I picked a Paragon level Brute as base, which was not a good choice on my part - but they are really not that far apart. The action points, re-rolls and so on apply as much to the Standard as the Minion - re-rolls maybe more on the Minion, action points arguably more on the Standard. P.S. This may seem at odds with common experience of 4E, because you typically don't face L17 Standard monsters and L25 Minions with characters at the same level. More usual would be L17 standards and L17 Minions - in which case, of course, the Minions drop faster. That's only natural - they are the equivalent of somewhere around L9 "Standard" monsters. [/QUOTE]

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