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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6300231" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree with both points, although personally I really don't like the adventure path style.What does this mean?I can absolutely describe a 100% objectively-existing computer using the following sentence: &quot;The computer currently in front of me, the keyboard of which I am typing these words on.&quot; Yet that sentence has three speaker-relative referring terms (&quot;me&quot;, &quot;I&quot; and &quot;these words&quot;).I can tell you the time where I am - 7.27 in the evening - and that is objective, too, even though the clock of someone moving past me at a very high speed might give a different reading as they watch me type these words.This sentence is incoherent.Within the gameworld, the giant has no level and is neither a minion nor a solo. It is a giant. The people who look at it - the inhabitants of the gameworld - can see it, and can see what it is capable of.The people who describe it as a level 25 minion or a level 7 solo are the players. They do not see any giants. In fact, they know that no giants exist, and that the whole gameworld is just made up. And they absolutely can represent elements of the gameworld using sometimes one mechanic, sometimes another. All you need is a translation schema, which I and [MENTION=27160]Balesir[/MENTION] have already both explained upthread.If you want an analogy, consider the Battlesystem mechanics that Mearls recently described in L&amp;L. In that system, the mechanical representation of an orc changes depending on the purpose for which it is represented - one-on-one fighting, or unit-vs-unit fighting. That doesn't mean that the orc in the fiction is changing in some fashion, or ceases to have an objective existence (relative to the fiction).When the giant is fighting level 7 PCs, the best mechanical way to give expression to its capabilities is as a level 7 solo. When the giant is fighting 25th level PCs, the best mechanical way to give expression to it capabilities is as a level 25 minion. The giant hasn't changed. The fiction hasn't changed. Only the mechanics are different. Just like Battlesystem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6300231, member: 42582"] I agree with both points, although personally I really don't like the adventure path style. What does this mean? I can absolutely describe a 100% objectively-existing computer using the following sentence: "The computer currently in front of me, the keyboard of which I am typing these words on." Yet that sentence has three speaker-relative referring terms ("me", "I" and "these words"). I can tell you the time where I am - 7.27 in the evening - and that is objective, too, even though the clock of someone moving past me at a very high speed might give a different reading as they watch me type these words. This sentence is incoherent. Within the gameworld, the giant has no level and is neither a minion nor a solo. It is a giant. The people who look at it - the inhabitants of the gameworld - can see it, and can see what it is capable of. The people who describe it as a level 25 minion or a level 7 solo are the players. They do not see any giants. In fact, they know that no giants exist, and that the whole gameworld is just made up. And they absolutely can represent elements of the gameworld using sometimes one mechanic, sometimes another. All you need is a translation schema, which I and [MENTION=27160]Balesir[/MENTION] have already both explained upthread. If you want an analogy, consider the Battlesystem mechanics that Mearls recently described in L&L. In that system, the mechanical representation of an orc changes depending on the purpose for which it is represented - one-on-one fighting, or unit-vs-unit fighting. That doesn't mean that the orc in the fiction is changing in some fashion, or ceases to have an objective existence (relative to the fiction). When the giant is fighting level 7 PCs, the best mechanical way to give expression to its capabilities is as a level 7 solo. When the giant is fighting 25th level PCs, the best mechanical way to give expression to it capabilities is as a level 25 minion. The giant hasn't changed. The fiction hasn't changed. Only the mechanics are different. Just like Battlesystem. [/QUOTE]

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