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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 6301078" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>Those are claims about how to use the mechanics to represent an internally consistent objective reality. If you don't care about consistency or objectivity, then you can use the rules however you feel like.</p><p>The thing about the truth is that it doesn't require anyone to know it in order for it to still be true. It is a <em>fact</em> that Joe has the capacity to withstand ~10 arrows before dropping, whether or not the PCs or the players are aware of it.</p><p>I'm not even sure how you would play otherwise. Is it just an exercise in making stuff up off the top of your head, in order to justify things after they already happen?</p><p></p><p>If a PC examines a room, then I consider it my duty to faithfully describe what the character sees, and I can't do that if I don't know ahead of time what all is in the room. What if I improvise something later on, and it turns out that the PC would have acted differently if I had previously defined that thing?</p><p></p><p>You can claim that you use them to represent an objective reality, but you can't objectively claim to use them to represent a consistent one. </p><p></p><p>Objectively speaking, your described use of the 4E rules paint an inconsistent reality. This is the case, regardless of what you claim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 6301078, member: 6775031"] Those are claims about how to use the mechanics to represent an internally consistent objective reality. If you don't care about consistency or objectivity, then you can use the rules however you feel like. The thing about the truth is that it doesn't require anyone to know it in order for it to still be true. It is a [I]fact[/I] that Joe has the capacity to withstand ~10 arrows before dropping, whether or not the PCs or the players are aware of it. I'm not even sure how you would play otherwise. Is it just an exercise in making stuff up off the top of your head, in order to justify things after they already happen? If a PC examines a room, then I consider it my duty to faithfully describe what the character sees, and I can't do that if I don't know ahead of time what all is in the room. What if I improvise something later on, and it turns out that the PC would have acted differently if I had previously defined that thing? You can claim that you use them to represent an objective reality, but you can't objectively claim to use them to represent a consistent one. Objectively speaking, your described use of the 4E rules paint an inconsistent reality. This is the case, regardless of what you claim. [/QUOTE]
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