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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6301121" data-attributes="member: 48965">That's not the definition of arbitrarily I am using, arbitrarily can also mean...1.subject to individual <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/will" target="_blank">will</a> or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: anarbitrary <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decision" target="_blank">decision</a>.Which is exactly where deciding a monster has morphed from standard to minion lies insofar as the DM is concerned.&nbsp; Guidelines are just that guidelines, not rules... and even then they do not give precise instruction on exactly when each monster should become a minion and so it falls on the judgement and will of the individual DM to make that decision...On another note when you speak to minions and the coherence of fiction and the ensuring of &quot;objective reality&quot;... this seems to only apply if I play in the exact play style that 4e pushes... one in which the challenges are carefully tailored to party level.&nbsp; It seems to breakdown however for other play styles such as a sandbox where the threats aren't specifically tailored to the party level...&nbsp; Or maybe I am not fully understanding... so I'll ask...when and how should minions be used in that style of campaign?&nbsp;&nbsp; </blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6301121, member: 48965"] That's not the definition of arbitrarily I am using, arbitrarily can also mean... [COLOR=#7B7B7B][FONT=Verdana][B]1.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana][COLOR=#9999FF][U]subject[/U][/COLOR] to individual [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/will"]will[/URL] or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion: [FONT=Georgia][I]anarbitrary [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decision"]decision[/URL].[/I][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] Which is exactly where deciding a monster has morphed from standard to minion lies insofar as the DM is concerned. Guidelines are just that guidelines, not rules... and even then they do not give precise instruction on exactly when each monster should become a minion and so it falls on the judgement and will of the individual DM to make that decision... On another note when you speak to minions and the coherence of fiction and the ensuring of "objective reality"... this seems to only apply if I play in the exact play style that 4e pushes... one in which the challenges are carefully tailored to party level. It seems to breakdown however for other play styles such as a sandbox where the threats aren't specifically tailored to the party level... Or maybe I am not fully understanding... so I'll ask...when and how should minions be used in that style of campaign? [COLOR=#333333][FONT=verdana][FONT=Georgia][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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