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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6301960" data-attributes="member: 22779">No, that was never the issue.&nbsp; The issue was that you had decided a priori that Diplomacy cannot possibly succeed in a situation where it was reasonable that it could.&nbsp; You, by fiat, rejected the possibility that the PC could influence the reactions of an NPC in order for the PC to get what he or she wanted.&nbsp; And you did so to gain a specific result - ie. denial of access to the king.That, right there, is DM fiat.&nbsp; Now, in this case, of course it was argued about, derisively or not, because it gets to the heart of differing play styles.&nbsp; I would hate to sit at that table.&nbsp; It would suck all the fun out of the game for me to know that at any time, for any reason, the DM can and will simply invalidate my actions because he or she wants a specific outcome that is different from what I want.&nbsp; The rules say I should be able to do this and what I'm doing is fairly reasonable, but, because the DM wants a different outcome, I cannot do it.To me, this is the worst kind of DM fiat and is pretty much railroading to boot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6301960, member: 22779"] No, that was never the issue. The issue was that you had decided a priori that Diplomacy cannot possibly succeed in a situation where it was reasonable that it could. You, by fiat, rejected the possibility that the PC could influence the reactions of an NPC in order for the PC to get what he or she wanted. And you did so to gain a specific result - ie. denial of access to the king. That, right there, is DM fiat. Now, in this case, of course it was argued about, derisively or not, because it gets to the heart of differing play styles. I would hate to sit at that table. It would suck all the fun out of the game for me to know that at any time, for any reason, the DM can and will simply invalidate my actions because he or she wants a specific outcome that is different from what I want. The rules say I should be able to do this and what I'm doing is fairly reasonable, but, because the DM wants a different outcome, I cannot do it. To me, this is the worst kind of DM fiat and is pretty much railroading to boot. [/QUOTE]

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