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<blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6306313" data-attributes="member: 17106">I'm positing a generic example. Take it out of the generic and add some bit of context that meaningfully changes the situation, and my conclusion no longer applies.That is, if the PCs are fairly low in level (say, no more than 5th), have no existing relationships with the king or royal status, and no abnormal events are occurring around them that would facilitate their entry, and so on and so forth, then they probably won't get a check. The point I was making is about the skill check itself; the skill does not entitle one to an outcome precisely because the outcome includes other factors.The approach the PCs are using is not itself covered in the Diplomacy check. A higher check does not indicate that the PCs have a more compelling reason to get in, simply that they articulated their reasons more persuasively. If the players themselves originate a compelling reason, the parameters of mechanical resolution may be radically changed.Which is perfectly fine and reasonable to me.Some do, perhaps. Depends on whether you believe them or not I guess.I'm not aware of what you're getting at.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahnehnois, post: 6306313, member: 17106"] I'm positing a generic example. Take it out of the generic and add some bit of context that meaningfully changes the situation, and my conclusion no longer applies. That is, if the PCs are fairly low in level (say, no more than 5th), have no existing relationships with the king or royal status, and no abnormal events are occurring around them that would facilitate their entry, and so on and so forth, then they probably won't get a check. The point I was making is about the skill check itself; the skill does not entitle one to an outcome precisely because the outcome includes other factors. The approach the PCs are using is not itself covered in the Diplomacy check. A higher check does not indicate that the PCs have a more compelling reason to get in, simply that they articulated their reasons more persuasively. If the players themselves originate a compelling reason, the parameters of mechanical resolution may be radically changed. Which is perfectly fine and reasonable to me. Some do, perhaps. Depends on whether you believe them or not I guess. I'm not aware of what you're getting at. [/QUOTE]

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