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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6307226" data-attributes="member: 87792">Likewise.&nbsp;&nbsp; And given that a fifth level 3E wizard can use more magical power in a&nbsp; day than Gandalf does in the Lord of the Rings as a whole, the idea that&nbsp; PCs are meant to be ordinary is one I find to be against the letter and&nbsp; spirit of D&amp;D as written.I'm going to emphasise this.&nbsp; First, MPs run <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery_%28politics%29" target="_blank">surgeries</a>&nbsp; - if I need to reach an MP who isn't mine I can. Monarchs have&nbsp; audiences - and certainly within the Anglo Saxon traditions for Britain&nbsp; any peasant had the right to appeal right the way up at fairly short&nbsp; notice (if they could find the King), and one of the stories I was&nbsp; raised on involved a peasant shaming a king who brushed her off to go&nbsp; hunting.&nbsp; This changed towards the late middle ages as populations got&nbsp; bigger (and was well and truly gone by the 30 years war), and peasants&nbsp; were a class above serfs.Any king who rules as well as reigns that is impossible to reach by their subjects is one who's courting guillotines.Agreed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or that even if you are playing peasants in a Low Fantasy setting&nbsp; that's not an active dystopia seeing the monarch is impossible rather&nbsp; than simply risky.&nbsp; (Of course the Rennaissance and the 30 Years&nbsp; War/English Civil War are definitely dystopian periods).The GM has the loudest voice, but certainly not the only one.To put it simply, it isn't.The thing is that two pieces of information are sufficient to get the 4E DC.&nbsp; The level and whether it's easy, medium, or hard.Indeed.&nbsp; As I read the 3.5 rules, hunting small game is explicitely included within the bounds of <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/survival.htm" target="_blank">the survival skill</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any interpretation therefore that changes it so they are not is&nbsp; directly contrary to both the rules as written and the rules as intended&nbsp; and so is a house rule.&nbsp; There's nothing wrong with house rules - but&nbsp; if your house rules change the letter and the spirit of the rules in the&nbsp; way in question then you should accept that what you are talking about&nbsp; is your own rules and not D&amp;D.Indeed.&nbsp; It's a straight up house rule.&nbsp; Survival allows you to provide food and water by hunting&nbsp; and foraging.&nbsp; Any interpretation of Survival that doesn't allow for&nbsp; hunting for food is directly contrary to RAW.&nbsp; And I'm curious what the&nbsp; point of Profession (Hunter) is...As for to hit rolls and hit&nbsp; points, they are a map as to what is going on in the game world. But the&nbsp; map is not the territory.&nbsp; And contour lines on a map mean there's a&nbsp; hill, not that the terrain is flat with lines running across it.And&nbsp; I wish [MENTION=17106]Ahnehnois[/MENTION] would stop talking about his personal and&nbsp; idiosyncratic interpretation of 3.X as if it was the whole of D&amp;D -&nbsp; or even entirely representative of 3.X.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6307226, member: 87792"] Likewise. And given that a fifth level 3E wizard can use more magical power in a day than Gandalf does in the Lord of the Rings as a whole, the idea that PCs are meant to be ordinary is one I find to be against the letter and spirit of D&D as written. I'm going to emphasise this. First, MPs run [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery_%28politics%29"]surgeries[/URL] - if I need to reach an MP who isn't mine I can. Monarchs have audiences - and certainly within the Anglo Saxon traditions for Britain any peasant had the right to appeal right the way up at fairly short notice (if they could find the King), and one of the stories I was raised on involved a peasant shaming a king who brushed her off to go hunting. This changed towards the late middle ages as populations got bigger (and was well and truly gone by the 30 years war), and peasants were a class above serfs. Any king who rules as well as reigns that is impossible to reach by their subjects is one who's courting guillotines. Agreed. Or that even if you are playing peasants in a Low Fantasy setting that's not an active dystopia seeing the monarch is impossible rather than simply risky. (Of course the Rennaissance and the 30 Years War/English Civil War are definitely dystopian periods). The GM has the loudest voice, but certainly not the only one. To put it simply, it [I]isn't[/I]. The thing is that two pieces of information are sufficient to get the 4E DC. The level and whether it's easy, medium, or hard. Indeed. As I read the 3.5 rules, hunting small game is explicitely included within the bounds of [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/survival.htm"]the survival skill[/URL]. Any interpretation therefore that changes it so they are not is directly contrary to both the rules as written and the rules as intended and so is a house rule. There's nothing wrong with house rules - but if your house rules change the letter and the spirit of the rules in the way in question then you should accept that what you are talking about is your own rules and not D&D. Indeed. It's a straight up house rule. Survival allows you to provide food and water by [I]hunting[/I] and foraging. Any interpretation of Survival that doesn't allow for hunting for food is directly contrary to RAW. And I'm curious what the point of Profession (Hunter) is... As for to hit rolls and hit points, they are a map as to what is going on in the game world. But the map is not the territory. And contour lines on a map mean there's a hill, not that the terrain is flat with lines running across it. And I wish [MENTION=17106]Ahnehnois[/MENTION] would stop talking about his personal and idiosyncratic interpretation of 3.X as if it was the whole of D&D - or even entirely representative of 3.X. [/QUOTE]

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