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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6307269" data-attributes="member: 18">No, we shouldn't, because, if you've been following the conversation, Ahn specifically claimed, and has since claimed again, that Survival checks CANNOT, RAI, result in the death of any creatures, and that it is a kind of &quot;cheating&quot; to allow them to, even though the Survival skill expressly states that it including hunting, which inevitably involves the death of creatures.No-one but you as suggested that CHOOSING not to use Survival and to run a hunt another way is not RAI. That's not implied in the piece you quote, because that text was written in a certain context.Keeping things straight:Ahn's position is that it is a kind of &quot;cheating&quot; AND not RAI for use of the Survival skill to result in dead animals (or people).The position I and Neon are (I believe) advocating is that Survival expressly includes hunting (as I demonstrated), and that it is both RAI and RAW for it to result in dead animals (and perhaps people if a dragon is doing it and the people are like rabbits or the like to it, which PCs probably are not).Your position is that choosing to not roll Survival and run a hunt as a series of skill checks culminating in a combat is within the RAI and RAW. The thing is, that position in no way conflicts with the ones that Ahn, Neon and I are stating. It's to the side of that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6307269, member: 18"] No, we shouldn't, because, if you've been following the conversation, Ahn specifically claimed, and has since claimed again, that Survival checks CANNOT, RAI, result in the death of any creatures, and that it is a kind of "cheating" to allow them to, even though the Survival skill expressly states that it including hunting, which inevitably involves the death of creatures. No-one but you as suggested that CHOOSING not to use Survival and to run a hunt another way is not RAI. That's not implied in the piece you quote, because that text was written in a certain context. Keeping things straight: Ahn's position is that it is a kind of "cheating" AND not RAI for use of the Survival skill to result in dead animals (or people). The position I and Neon are (I believe) advocating is that Survival expressly includes hunting (as I demonstrated), and that it is both RAI and RAW for it to result in dead animals (and perhaps people if a dragon is doing it and the people are like rabbits or the like to it, which PCs probably are not). Your position is that choosing to not roll Survival and run a hunt as a series of skill checks culminating in a combat is within the RAI and RAW. The thing is, that position in no way conflicts with the ones that Ahn, Neon and I are stating. It's to the side of that. [/QUOTE]

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