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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ydars" data-source="post: 4144332" data-attributes="member: 62992">I forgot the fluff in 4E (and even 3E) about weapons; not that I like much of it because I used to fight with metal broadswords/longswords and very few of the 4E fluff weapons make any sense.But you are right about the Gnolls; I had completely forgotten that. I also think you are right about the endless cycle of rising and falling; i.e. that this is WoTCs default because it is exactly what they imply in the book, although I had not really taken it to mean monsterous civilisations per se, just that monsters were acting like the D&D version of the Vandals or Ostrogoths that destroyed the various bits of the Roman Empire.So...........we will have to allow Monsters some level of organisation, but I still feel that if orcs run around in huge tribes then they will present a totally overwhelming threat to any PoL (even with the PCs around)So the answer is probably that we have to change our expectations about the ecology of monsters; that most big powerful monsters are solitary (or command lesser creatures) and that most monsterous humanoids only live in groups based around the extended family; if there are any larger groupings then a PoL simply couldn't compete.So monsters live in a PoD (point of darkness) that is smaller than what we all thought of before in 3E and other games. They can join together to produce huge hoards at certain times (strong leaders etc) but such groupings would have to be transient or they would face the same problems as the PoL in feedling the warriors (or are we to suppose that orcs also farm now)? Sorry, that is too far from me.</blockquote>

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