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Message: <blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 2133020" data-attributes="member: 5171">You say:What I said was:If I implied that nobody was going to like the movie except the diehard fans, then I apologize. My parse of the end of the first paragraph was that:1) People who loved the graphic novel would likely love the movie2) People who don’t care about dialogue (ie, it’s not a make-or-break for them) may or may not like the movie (although actually I said “will impress”, which is more positive, there, and then later changed my mind in the second paragraph and said that people who don’t care about dialogue will judge the movie on other merits, and that this discussion would be irrelevant for them)3) Everyone else – defined by the negation of the first two arguments to be the people who did not read the graphic novel and who DO care about dialogue – will likely be unhappy.In retrospect, this leaves out people who didn’t read the graphic novel but who like film noir, which I hadn’t considered at the time, but merits a category as well.But I did not say, to my knowledge, that nobody who hadn't read the graphic novel would like the movie. I did say (and this is not 100% accurate, because someone will like the writing for some personal reason and someone will like the writing because they love film noir and enjoy seeing this stuff rehashed, two factors I didn't consider while initially writing this) that nobody who was coming to the movie fresh (ie, without loving the graphic novel) and considered dialogue one of their massive important make-or-break features in the enjoyment of a movie will enjoy this film.My extrapolation that the movie wouldn't do well is flawed, however, since it's based on the premise that there are a lot of people out there for whom dialogue is important, and that's not necessarily true.  So it could do very well, or it could do very badly.  There's also the fact that dialogue badness is not a boolean -- there are levels of badness that will turn off increasing numbers of viewers as the badness gets worse -- which makes the issue more complex. It could be that the dialogue was bad enough to turn me off but not bad enough to turn off Average Joe, the person who likes good dialogue but doesn't mind mediocre dialogue and has to encounter really awful dialogue to find it a reason to dislike a movie.That said, every negative Rotten Tomatoes article I've seen has included a reference to bad dialogue, and even some of the positive Rotten Tomatoes articles have mentioned the dialogue as not being a selling point of the movie. So it would seem that I'm not alone here. Week two of the box office will eventually decide whether the dialogue is bad enough that it turns off the average viewer, or just the folks with extremely high dialogue standards.(Again, note: "High standards" is not my attempt to be a snob. That doesn't make me better. I have very low standards for setting -- it has to suck high holy heck for me to even notice. Heck, I have pretty mediocre standards for plot, given how often my friends come up with plotholes in movies while I just go, "Uh, I liked the fight scene, and they had good one-liners.")Those are my quotes as I see them. If I said something else somewhere else, please let me know.</blockquote>

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